Ideas and Suggestions

Gilgamesch · Aug 5, 2013

We need a Lumber Jack? (holzfäller german)
Avaible with wood working, provides +1 Production, and +1 Production from worked forest or jungle tiles.

3335d · Aug 5, 2013

I wanted to add a plague diffusion system to a new health-and-plague mod I have created specifically for CCtP, but my attempts to use Gedemon's Cultural Diffusion as a system for doing so have fallen apart completely. Is there a way that anyone would be able to diffuse plague in that fashion?

In addition, I cannot create a proper UI for the system, and Fires seems good at that. I hope that he can help me with it, and that I am not asking for too much work.

The mod is attached.

Gilgamesch · Aug 7, 2013

3335d said:
I wanted to add a plague diffusion system to a new health-and-plague mod I have created specifically for CCtP, but my attempts to use Gedemon's Cultural Diffusion as a system for doing so have fallen apart completely. Is there a way that anyone would be able to diffuse plague in that fashion?

In addition, I cannot create a proper UI for the system, and Fires seems good at that. I hope that he can help me with it, and that I am not asking for too much work.

The mod is attached.

There are missing tags in your code,

Spoiler :

when not intendet it will break your mod. You used Health and Plague as a basis, but let me tell you the code can bring some problems.
I overlooked the H and P code weaks ago for BNW and created a CCTP and MyOwnMod compatibility.

Spoiler :

Wich worked great under some circumstances, but it will slow down the game if you add to much code at it, and when you play on giant maps with many civs, only gaming pcs will support this game.

Starfflame · Aug 7, 2013

Gilgamesch said:
Wich worked great under some circumstances, but it will slow down the game if you add to much code at it, and when you play on giant maps with many civs, only gaming pcs will support this game.

Maybe you could make a light version of CCTP without non-core additions to CCTP (Like plagues, or pandemics later on) if you guys added that much code?

Also, how moddable is the late-game Ideology trees? If you really wanted to, you could possibly add late-game government types like E-democracy, fascism, corporate states, ecotopia, socialist, communist, etc, with a custom UI, and group each government type under an ideology group (order, autocracy, or freedom). In my opinion, building upon the ideology system that currently exists in BNW would add a lot of customization for your empire in the late-game, as of right now with the regular BNW, I don't really have a specific indication of what specific government my empire is. For example, I would prefer to lead a socialist nation that allows for civil rights, freedom of speech, etc. That way I can lead using the best of both worlds of a democratic nation and a communist one.
This would probably take a lot of lua and XML coding, however, if this basic idea were implemented into CCTP, I believe it would be a great addition for the mod in general.

TL;DR, I would like to see CCTP incorporate a more dynamic social ideology system that would allow a player to customize exactly what kind of government (s)he would like. If you would like I could make a sketch of a possible UI to further elaborate on my idea and give a general idea for you to work off of.

3335d · Aug 7, 2013

Gilgamesch said:
There are missing tags in your code,

Spoiler :

<Row>
<BuildingType>BUILDING_X_GAMES_DUMMY</BuildingType>
<YieldType>YIELD_HAPPY</YieldType>
<Yield>2</Yield>
</Row>

</GameData>

when not intendet it will break your mod. You used Health and Plague as a basis, but let me tell you the code can bring some problems.
I overlooked the H and P code weaks ago for BNW and created a CCTP and MyOwnMod compatibility.

Spoiler :

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--Defines
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CREATE TABLE Era_PlagueDefines (EraType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, HealthMin INTEGER DEFAULT 0, MaxRange INTEGER DEFAULT 0, MaxDuration INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
CREATE TABLE BuildingClass_Health (BuildingClassType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, Yield INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
CREATE TABLE Resource_Health (ResourceType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, Yield INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
CREATE TABLE Technology_Health (TechType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, Yield INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
CREATE TABLE PolicyBranch_Health (PolicyBranchType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, Yield INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
CREATE TABLE Feature_Health (FeatureType TEXT DEFAULT NULL, Yield INTEGER DEFAULT 0);

INSERT INTO Defines (Name, Value)
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_INIT_THRESHOLD', 15 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_COOLDOWN_TURNS', 25 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_BORDER_PERMEABILITY', 1.25 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_INFLUENCE_MOD', 0.85 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_PROPAGATE_THRESHOLD', 20 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_AOE_DMG_PERCENT', 20 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_TRADE_RANGE_MOD', 0.65 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_TRADE_LOCAL_MOD', 0.8 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_BASE_DEATH_THRESHOLD', 70 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_BASE_HEALING_MALUS', 13 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_CITY_ADJ_DISEASE_UNIT', -2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_SPY_SABOTAGE_THRESHOLD', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_FRESHWATER_HEALTH', 8 UNION ALL
SELECT 'PLAGUE_BASE_UNHAPPY_HEALTH', 2;

INSERT INTO Era_PlagueDefines (EraType, HealthMin, MaxRange, MaxDuration)
SELECT 'ERA_ANCIENT', 2, 5, 6 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_CLASSICAL', 3, 6, 7 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_MEDIEVAL', 6, 7, 8 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_RENAISSANCE', 5, 8, 7 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL', 4, 9, 6 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_MODERN', 3, 10, 5 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_POSTMODERN', 2, 12, 5 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ERA_FUTURE', 1, 14, 4;

INSERT INTO BuildingClass_Health (BuildingClassType, Yield)
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_KERKER', -3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_STABLE', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_STONE_WORKS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_CIRCUS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_FORGE', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_WORKSHOP', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_IRONWORKS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_COLOSSEUM', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_THEATRE', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_HARBOR', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_FACTORY', -3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_HOTEL', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_AIRPORT', -2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_TOURIST_CENTER', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_CATHEDRAL', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_CONSTABLE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_POLICE_STATION', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_MOSQUE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_PAGODA', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_HERDER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_APOTHECARY', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BUTCHER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_SAGE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_MINER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_TRADER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_GARDEN2', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_SMITH', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_ESTATE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_MERCHANT', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_CATTLE_DRIVER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_ALCHEMIST', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_MANUFACTURER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_VENDER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_RANCHER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_PLANTATION', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_HERBALIST', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_GUILD', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_FOOD_PROCESSING_PLANT', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_CHEMICAL_PLANT', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_PRISON', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_SUPERMARKET', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BIOTECH_INDUSTRIAL_PARK', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_ARCOLOGY', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_IMPLANT_STATION', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BEEF_VAT', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BIO_MEMORY_IMPLANT', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BODY_EXCHANGE', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_SHOPPING_MALL', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_TOWN_HALL', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_BOND_MARKET', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_DRUG_STORE', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_GIGA_TOWER', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_DINOSAUR_PARK', -3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_TRANSCONTINENTAL_RAILROAD', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_OIL_REFINERY', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_WINDMILL', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_GARDEN', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_UNIVERSITY', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_RECYCLING_CENTER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_HOSPITAL', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_MEDICAL_LAB', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDINGCLASS_LABORATORY', 2;

INSERT INTO Resource_Health (ResourceType, Yield)
SELECT 'RESOURCE_IRON', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_COAL', -2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_OIL', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_URANIUM', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_NUTMEG', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_CLOVES', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_PEPPER', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_BANANA', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_WHEAT', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_COW', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_SHEEP', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_DEER', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_FISH', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_WHALE', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_SPICES', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_WINE', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_SALT', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_CITRUS', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_TEA', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_TITANIUM', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_POPPY', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_ALOE_VERA', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_JADE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_OAK', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_MANGANESE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_SQUID', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_AMBER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_TOBACCO', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_TIN', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'RESOURCE_CRAB', 2;

INSERT INTO Technology_Health (TechType, Yield)
SELECT 'TECH_ANIMAL_HUSBANDRY', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_THE_WHEEL', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_SAILING', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_OPTICS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_COMPASS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ASTRONOMY', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_NAVIGATION', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_COMBUSTION', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_FLIGHT', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_GLOBALIZATION', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_POTTERY', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ENGINEERING', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_CHEMISTRY', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_SCIENTIFIC_THEORY', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_BIOLOGY', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ELECTRICITY', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_REFRIGERATION', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_PENICILIN', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ECOLOGY', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_SATELLITES', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ROBOTICS', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_AGRICULTURAL_REVOLUTION', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_PUBLIC_WORKS', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_ECONOMY_OF_SCALE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_PHARMACEUTICALS', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_CLONING', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_BIOTECH_INDUSTRY', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_GENETIC_ENGINEERING', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_FERMENTATION', 1 UNION ALL

SELECT 'TECH_BIOLOGICAL_SYNTHESIS', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_FUNCTIONAL_MRI', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_SOCIAL_NETWORKS', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_VACCINES', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_MOBILE_PHONES', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_INTERNET', 2 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_OCEAN_PIONEERING', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_BONDS', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_TRADE_FAIRS', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_WOODWORKING', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_PRIESTHOOD', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'TECH_NANOTECHNOLOGY', 3;

INSERT INTO PolicyBranch_Health (PolicyBranchType, Yield)
SELECT 'POLICY_BRANCH_AUTOCRACY', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'POLICY_BRANCH_EXPLORATION', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'POLICY_BRANCH_ORDER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'POLICY_BRANCH_RATIONALISM', 1;

INSERT INTO Feature_Health (FeatureType, Yield)
SELECT 'FEATURE_FALLOUT', -3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_FLOOD_PLAINS', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_MARSH', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_ATOLL', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_EL_DORADO', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_POTOSI', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_FOUNTAIN_YOUTH', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_GEYSER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_GIBRALTAR', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_VOLCANO', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_REEF', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_MESA', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_CRATER', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_FUJI', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_OASIS', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_ULURU', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_SRI_PADA', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_MT_KAILASH', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_MT_SINAI', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_KILIMANJARO', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_SOLOMONS_MINES', -1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_LAKE_VICTORIA', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_JUNGLE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'FEATURE_FOREST', 2;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Font Mapping
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INSERT INTO IconFontTextures (IconFontTexture, IconFontTextureFile)
SELECT 'ICON_FONT_TEXTURE_PLAGUE', 'Plague-FontIcons';

INSERT INTO IconFontMapping (IconName, IconFontTexture, IconMapping)
SELECT 'ICON_HEALTH', 'ICON_FONT_TEXTURE_PLAGUE', 1 UNION ALL
SELECT 'ICON_PLAGUE', 'ICON_FONT_TEXTURE_PLAGUE', 2;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Buildings
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INSERT INTO Building_Flavors (BuildingType, FlavorType, Flavor)
SELECT 'BUILDING_AQUEDUCT', 'FLAVOR_PRODUCTION', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDING_AQUEDUCT', 'FLAVOR_CULTURE', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDING_AQUEDUCT', 'FLAVOR_GOLD', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDING_AQUEDUCT', 'FLAVOR_HAPPINESS', 3 UNION ALL
SELECT 'BUILDING_AQUEDUCT', 'FLAVOR_CITY_DEFENSE', 3;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Promotions
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INSERT INTO UnitPromotions (Type, CannotBeChosen, DefenseMod, Description, Help, PediaEntry, IconAtlas, PortraitIndex, Sound, PediaType)
SELECT 'PROMOTION_PLAGUED', 1, -50, 'TXT_KEY_PROMOTION_PLAGUED', 'TXT_KEY_PROMOTION_PLAGUED_HELP', 'TXT_KEY_PROMOTION_PLAGUED', 'PROMOTION_ATLAS', 57, 'AS2D_IF_LEVELUP', 'PEDIA_ATTRIBUTES';

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Pedia Entries
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INSERT INTO Concepts (Type, Topic, Description, Summary, AdvisorQuestion, Advisor, CivilopediaHeaderType, InsertBefore)
SELECT 'CONCEPT_HEALTH_CITY', 'TXT_KEY_TOPIC_CITIES', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_HEALTH_HEADING3_TITLE', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_HEALTH_HEADING3_BODY', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_ADV_QUEST', 'ECONOMIC', 'HEADER_CITIES', 'CONCEPT_CITIES' UNION ALL
SELECT 'CONCEPT_HEALTH_EMPIRE', 'TXT_KEY_TOPIC_CITIES', 'TXT_KEY_EMPIRE_HEALTH_HEADING3_TITLE', 'TXT_KEY_EMPIRE_HEALTH_HEADING3_BODY', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_ADV_QUEST', 'ECONOMIC', 'HEADER_CITIES', 'CONCEPT_CITIES' UNION ALL
SELECT 'CONCEPT_HEALTH_PLAGUE', 'TXT_KEY_TOPIC_CITIES', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_PLAGUE_HEADING3_TITLE', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_PLAGUE_HEADING3_BODY', 'TXT_KEY_CITIES_ADV_QUEST', 'ECONOMIC', 'HEADER_CITIES', 'CONCEPT_CITIES';

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Compatibility
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ALTER TABLE Buildings ADD IsVisible boolean DEFAULT 1;

Wich worked great under some circumstances, but it will slow down the game if you add to much code at it, and when you play on giant maps with many civs, only gaming pcs will support this game.

I only used Health and Plague as a conceptual basis, not a code basis. I hope that in the future we migrate to my system, as it is far more flexible than Health and Plague and can be used for local city happiness as well, and can even add yield modifiers.

But I'd like to get the Plague Diffusion thing to work. In the long run, I'd like to add tile yield importation as well.

Gilgamesch · Aug 8, 2013

3335d said:
I only used Health and Plague as a conceptual basis, not a code basis. I hope that in the future we migrate to my system, as it is far more flexible than Health and Plague and can be used for local city happiness as well, and can even add yield modifiers.

But I'd like to get the Plague Diffusion thing to work. In the long run, I'd like to add tile yield importation as well.

I also like this ideas, but in my last game i removed the H and P, because its totally slows down my game, they same as Revolution (great idea, but with great maps, lot of civs and CCTP, nearly unplayable) damn i have a beast as a pc.

So to speed up thinks, there would be a lot of work in the future.

Lord Proteus · Aug 10, 2013

How will policies work in the new version? Will we get a Govornment and Policies system that are separate from each other? I assume you'll be adding more bonuses to choose from for Ideaologies, some are pretty weak as it is, while some are just blatantly excellent and more desirable over the others.

I would also like to suggest a series of new repeatable technologies at the end of the Tech Tree, which give you something different. Like say, one for a cash sum upon completion, one for a permanent boost to happiness(1 or 2 happiness per completion), one for a payoff of Culture, one that contributes points towards your next Golden Age, etc... this would make the building of research buildings and the accruing of research points still desirable end-game. If you add Health as a city attribute, you could add one that increases the Health rating of all cities upon completion as well.

A minor suggestion, and you'll probably think it's incredibly stupid, but, maybe adjust the Shaman's Hut to be something like a "Herbalists" or "Herb Garden" instead. I feel uneasy building a Shaman's Hut in the Renaissance Era and onwards... A Herbalist/Herb Garden is something that is used even today in the modern era.

Gilgamesch · Aug 10, 2013

Lord Proteus said:
How will policies work in the new version?

Most vanilla.

Gilgamesch · Aug 10, 2013

Ok modded the policies, so that we can get 9 pick ups pro policy branch.
This means we could at least rework the policies a little bit.

redfern · Aug 11, 2013

I never got to play Community Call To Power before the last Gods and Kings patch broke it - and I always wanted to try out the social policies (I think they're particularly poorly done in vanilla Civ5).

Would it work to have the 'Ideologies' as economic systems? I mean, the cold war was more about different economic ideology anyway. So once three factories are built / the player reaches the modern age, the ideology choices are something like:

- Free Market
- State Control
- Co-operative / Green

This allows for the old CCTP social policies to remain, as Ecotopia and Virtual Democracy can still be brought in for later eras. Perhaps Communism and Fascism should be merged into 'Police State', as having a Free Market Communist state would make little sense. Unless ideologies can be made to be mutually exclusive with certain social policies? So the ideology 'Free Market' could be exclusive with Communism and Ecotopia?

Gilgamesch · Aug 11, 2013

redfern said:
I never got to play Community Call To Power before the last Gods and Kings patch broke it - and I always wanted to try out the social policies (I think they're particularly poorly done in vanilla Civ5).

Would it work to have the 'Ideologies' as economic systems? I mean, the cold war was more about different economic ideology anyway. So once three factories are built / the player reaches the modern age, the ideology choices are something like:

- Free Market
- State Control
- Co-operative / Green

This allows for the old CCTP social policies to remain, as Ecotopia and Virtual Democracy can still be brought in for later eras. Perhaps Communism and Fascism should be merged into 'Police State', as having a Free Market Communist state would make little sense. Unless ideologies can be made to be mutually exclusive with certain social policies? So the ideology 'Free Market' could be exclusive with Communism and Ecotopia?

Iam nearly finished with overworked policies, till we get our great CCTP policies back

3335d · Aug 11, 2013

I'm still working on my mod, Gilgamesch, so you might want to just release the working version (with the proper AssignStartingPlots.lua) as v3.5 (I think...) until Fires can help me with my mod's diffusion system.

In the long run, we should rework the game completely at a fundamental level. There should be no hard distinction between civs, city-states, barbarians, corporations, and other groups, which should all be lumped into "actors." We can write the Lua code in order to make one giant "civilization," with different actors within fighting and cooperating. Although a rework of the World Congress (and slight changes to technologies) would be required, it would largely be a UI problem.

This would allow many novel game features. Barbarian encampments will be able to form cities, which may play host to corporations. As the city expands into a nation and then an empire, these corporations may slowly gain power to the extent that they raise private armies and conquer other cities or even found their own. On the home front, actors (including "real countries") exert scientific, engineering, economic, religious, electoral, and ultimately political influence, depending on what buildings they construct in the city (all actors should be able to own buildings in a city, pursuant to restrictions). If a given actor gains too much influence, local happiness will go down. In combination with other factors, this may lead to revolutions. Actors can also merge, combining their influences.

The possibilities would be endless, and the number of actors could be unlimited. This would be a great idea for v4.

Gilgamesch · Aug 11, 2013

Spoiler :

Its done also Religion is done. Only names are lacking.

3335d · Aug 11, 2013

Great job, Gilgamesch! Can we see a picture of the new religion system?

Gilgamesch · Aug 12, 2013

3335d said:
Great job, Gilgamesch! Can we see a picture of the new religion system?

I just changed/deleted and added new beliefs. No new Screen or Popup.

Here is the text for the religions, so you can critic them

Spoiler :

Most names are just placeholder, feel free to suggest new ones.
The same for the beliefs and effects, if you feel its op post it.

3335d · Aug 12, 2013

You should replace "Science cult" with "Goddess of Wisdom" or something like that.

Gilgamesch · Aug 12, 2013

3335d said:
You should replace "Science cult" with "Goddess of Wisdom" or something like that.

Will release a final version, like the weeks ago, this week end.
So all suggestions till this time can and will implented.
Policies ares overworked but limited due vanilla pop up.
Iam goin to post the policies, so that you may point out some :rolleyes:

Didnt looked at this time if policy/buildings/via lua workes, in the case it works i will implend it.

Also manpower will be overworked and full tweaked for eras.
At least some military units will get the Electricity requirement.

For other mods, i included a little option to work with whowards dll.
So you only need CCTP/Tweak and whowards dll mod, and you can use canals, build tunnels, city distance plus 2 and some others that are working correcty with BNW.
This is only a placeholder, till we got our own dll setup.

BTW: All bugs that are reported and can be fixed will be fixed

Gilgamesch · Aug 12, 2013

Ok here are the policies under work!

Spoiler :

3335d · Aug 26, 2013

Please, Gilgamesch, add some sort of bonus-trading mechanism so that tall empires can construct higher-up Monopoly buildings. Playing tall Carthage (4 to 6 core cities) I can construct a maximum of 3 Town Estates (and nothing higher). In addition, a World Congress resolution (Law of the Sea) should be created to allow free passage through all sea tiles.

Gilgamesch · Aug 27, 2013

3335d said:
Please, Gilgamesch, add some sort of bonus-trading mechanism so that tall empires can construct higher-up Monopoly buildings. Playing tall Carthage (4 to 6 core cities) I can construct a maximum of 3 Town Estates (and nothing higher). In addition, a World Congress resolution (Law of the Sea) should be created to allow free passage through all sea tiles.

I failed in coding lua for bonus trading.
The only possibility i see is to change them from bonus to strategic.
Will look if this will work with the resource generator.

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