Just got BNW, any tips/ advice?

[CivilizedPlayer]

So I just got BNW, and I think I've got a pretty good handle on the whole trade route thing, as well as all the new civs, etc. What I'm not sure about is the changes to the cultural victory, and to the social policies. So, Civ experts, how does one go about winning a cultural victory now? Which social policies should be gotten, and which should be avoided? What the heck is an idealogy? And how on earth do I take advantage of this archaelogy system?

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

I would say the biggets change to CV is that big empire can do it as good or even better then a smal empire, CV is not something anymore about having few cities.

To win CV you should try to get wonders that is able to get theaming bonuses from great works, wonders that produce Culture, and just get wonders because of the Congress Culture from wonder thing.

Get the Guilds all in the national epic city which should have a garden too.

Creat great works and try to get teaming bonus as much as possible, you can swap with the ai if needed.

Get archeology fast and grab all ruins, then Tech to Hotels and Airports.

Also do all the things that increase turism in other civs, that is to share religion, OB and have Active trade rout with them.

It can be good to have alot of faith because later on you can purchase Great Musicans who can turism bomb the civs that you got least influence in.

 

[budweiser]

There are a few ways to do cultural. A more traditional approach would be full tradition, oracle to finish early then all into aesthetics.

Once the NC is up, go to Drama and put up the NE and a garden, then prioritize the 3 guilds to max out the artists, writers and musicians.

Then over to Printing Press for Pisa and up to Architecture for Uffizi. Up to Radio for Eiffell & Broadway.

Hotels, then Airports, then Internet.

Get Freedom for ideology. That will do it.

 

[CivilizedPlayer]

Ok, thanks for the help! The bit about not going small is good to know especially, I always instinctively limit my city-building when it comes to CVs.

 

[Laurwin]

how do the great artists work in BNW?

How did I get a free social policy as Huns in my last game, I accidentally got some kind of "political treatise" or whatever, and I got a free order ideology policy!

 

[chazzycat]

"political treatise" is the new culture bomb (done by writers). It doesn't always provide a free policy, just a large chunk of culture, which may or may not reach the next policy.

artists can only do golden ages now or create a great work.

 

[Laurwin]

ehh so great writer is not great artists anymore I suppose that's right

 

[chazzycat]

yeah, there used to be just great artists, but in BNW they basically got split into 3 categories.

Artists do golden ages
Writers have political treatise (culture bomb)
Musicians do concert tours (tourism bomb)

All three also create great works.

 

[Laurwin]

does great works happen automatically when you build wonders, I don't quite understand great works I'm afraid.

Culture bomb basically is, + extra culture (so you can buy extra policies)?

great general still is doing the border pops with citadels right?

I don't even understand tourism in this game, what benefits does tourism give to you?

I can understand culture, extra culture -> better policies -> more and better bonuses in hammer, food, gold, beakerrs, but what about tourism?

 

[Laurwin]

Shouldn't tourism give you extra gold in-game, after all tourism is important economic boost in real life to many countries?

 

[chazzycat]

does great works happen automatically when you build wonders, I don't quite understand great works I'm afraid.

no you have to create great artists, writers, etc. by building the appropriate guild buildings and filling the specialist slots. Like working a university to get great scientists. Then once you have the great person, there are two options - create a great work or use the special ability (culture bomb, etc.).

Culture bomb basically is, + extra culture (so you can buy extra policies)?

yup exactly

great general still is doing the border pops with citadels right?

yes, sorry if the term "culture bomb" was confusing

I don't even understand tourism in this game, what benefits does tourism give to you?

Think of tourism like the offensive part of culture. Regular culture is like defense. Your tourism is matched against the culture of every AI - if you pass them all, you win the game (culture victory).

I can understand culture, extra culture -> better policies -> more and better bonuses in hammer, food, gold, beakerrs, but what about tourism?

mostly it's just to win. You can also cause unhappiness with ideology pressure (which is based on the same tourism vs. culture mechanism) which can eventually cause cities to flip, but this is not super easy to do.

 

[Laurwin]

I owuld be nice if tourism gave you gold boost though, right?

because that's what tends to happen, tourists spend money in your own economy instead of their own

 

[chazzycat]

Shouldn't tourism give you extra gold in-game, after all tourism is important economic boost in real life to many countries?

I think they designed it this way because it would cause too strong of a reinforcing effect...ie the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, which doesn't make for a fun game.

 

[ravenmagus]

does great works happen automatically when you build wonders, I don't quite understand great works I'm afraid.

Culture bomb basically is, + extra culture (so you can buy extra policies)?

great general still is doing the border pops with citadels right?

I don't even understand tourism in this game, what benefits does tourism give to you?

I can understand culture, extra culture -> better policies -> more and better bonuses in hammer, food, gold, beakerrs, but what about tourism?

Only one Wonder comes with a Great Work (the Parthenon)

Great Works are otherwise only created by the use of Great Artists/Musicians/Writers, burning them to provide a Great Work instead of their special ability, or by using archaeologists to dig up artifacts at antiquity sites (available once you research Archaeology).

Great Works are things that are held inside a 'Great Work slot' in certain cultural buildings and Wonders. You need an empty slot of the appropriate type in order to create a Great Work. Great Works all provide 2 culture and 2 tourism each, no matter what kind they are. A building or Wonder that has more than one Great Work slot will also have a theme bonus - fill up the slots following the appropriate guidelines (for example, 'All works from the same civilization but different eras') and you'll get a Culture and Tourism bonus.

There are two basic ways to gain Tourism. The first is through Great Works and theme bonuses, as described above. The second is with hotels and airports. Hotels and Airports (and the National Visitor Center national wonder) both turn all culture provided by any wonders you've built into Tourism, as well as any culture provided by Improvements (like the French Chateau) worked by the city, but not culture provided by regular non-Wonder buildings.

You can think of tourism as a resource: every turn, your Tourism amount is applied to each civilization you've met. When your Tourism builds up enough that you've given a civilization more Tourism than they have produced Culture throughout the game, you are considered Influential with that civilization. Become Influential with every civilization and you win a cultural victory.

There are levels of influence below Influential, and this does have one other effect in the game once the civilizations start choosing Ideologies. If you have some cultural influence over another civilization and you follow a different Ideology, they will lose happiness based on how influential you are over them, and they may eventually be forced to change their Ideology to match yours.

edit: There are a few things in the game that do replicate tourism -> money, like moai gold or Neuschwanstein, but otherwise tourism is separate

 

[Laurwin]

Hot damn, I gotta admit Neuschwanstein is a powerful wonder! Free maintenance +1 happiness from castles! (good for wide empires)

Neuschwanstein is also a great castle to visit in real life!

 

[APCY]

There are a few ways to do cultural. A more traditional approach would be full tradition, oracle to finish early then all into aesthetics.

Once the NC is up, go to Drama and put up the NE and a garden, then prioritize the 3 guilds to max out the artists, writers and musicians.

Then over to Printing Press for Pisa and up to Architecture for Uffizi. Up to Radio for Eiffell & Broadway.

Hotels, then Airports, then Internet.

Get Freedom for ideology. That will do it.

Sadly its only possible in lower difficulties.

 

[Astennu]

Sadly its only possible in lower difficulties.

I've just switched back to Immortal in BNW after testing the waters on Emperor.

Are you saying that a standard Cultural Victory on Immortal or Deity is next to impossible?

I find any VC on Emperor quite easy but Immortal ups the difficulty a fair bit.

I can comfortably win a science victory in any Immortal game I play, however it gets boring fast. I'm thinkin of rolling France next and aiming for a CV.

 

[Browd]

I suspect what APCY meant is that a CV that just relies on bee lining hotels, airports, the NVC and the internet is not good enough on higher difficulty levels, and that musician concert tours will be needed to out you over the top. I would say that is likely true in most cases, but I'm sure most folks could point to a personal example or two where concert tours weren't required.

 

[pvtjava]

There are some other benefits associated with Tourism. If you hover over the box that shows your influence level with another civ, (Exotic, Familiar, etc.) it will show the other benefits. I know one is 1 point of science (edit - per turn) from a trade route for each level of influence. I can't remember the rest.

 

[chazzycat]

I suspect what APCY meant is that a CV that just relies on bee lining hotels, airports, the NVC and the internet is not good enough on higher difficulty levels, and that musician concert tours will be needed to out you over the top. I would say that is likely true in most cases, but I'm sure most folks could point to a personal example or two where concert tours weren't required.

it's very rare not to need any concert tours, but can happen if the stars align perfectly (on immortal..def not deity). I have done it a couple times...basically it involved playing perfectly AND getting lucky with having other AI kill off the other culture leaders. Like being France, getting tons of wonders in your capital, getting every city state, winning world fair & international games, bribing Shaka to kill your culture rival (and it actually working), etc.

not sure why you would want to though, it's clearly not ideal.