Karzai threatens to throw his lot in with Russia

[holy king]

Would you suggest Austria, Holy King?

only if i'm made viceroy of deutsch-afghanistan.

 

[Azale]

True story. I wonder when the USA's time will come?

Sounds like you can't wait for it to come.

He's playing up to domestic popularity but he knows Russia isn't a real alternative.

Yea, what exactly does Russia have to gain by being entangled in more failed states and mountainous regions on its periphery? That's a foreign adventure that would not end swiftly or cheaply, and it could be the one thing that would destroy his political capital with the Russian people. And he's got alot of it.

Merely just threats designed to get the message across- we don't want to be kicked around.

Signing up as President of Afghanistan circa 2001 was not going to be the job of choice for someone who did not want to be "kicked around". He is basically the glorified mayor of Kabul at this point, and some of the blame goes to Mr. Karzai for this.

The only thing getting kicked around is Mr. Karzai's reputation and the Afghan police force

 

[Zarn]

Bulgaria, Kysrgstan, Serbia, Kazahstan, Cuba, Venezuela, large swathes of the populations in Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine etc etc. but dont let what you wish was true get in the way of the facts, like so many others here.

True Ukrainians don't like Russia. Freckin' Mongol suck ups.

Cuba cannot stand Russia. They felt betrayed.

Winner has addressed some of the others.

Edit: I'd support you for that, King. It's just Viceroy Holy King doesn't quite work. Maybe, you should go with Holy Viceroy.

 

[Phlegmak]

History has shown that anybody in Afghanistan usually goes wrong.

Utter nonsense. Arab Muslims and Mongols have conquered it before. This notion that Afghans are invincible is pure myth.

EDIT: One could even argue that the current American invasion conquered it, but I won't be arguing that.

 

[Zarn]

It was a NATO liberation effort.

 

[Winner]

Utter nonsense. Arab Muslims and Mongols have conquered it before. This notion that Afghans are invincible is pure myth.

EDIT: One could even argue that the current American invasion conquered it, but I won't be arguing that.

I'd add that Russians would have won if it wasn't for the massive US support for the mudjahedeens and the economic collapse of the USSR.

 

[Yeekim]

large swathes of the populations in Latvia, Estonia

Ethnically Russian colonists, who wouldn't leave here for Russia at gunpoint.
There are some later immigrants too, to be honest. I have at least one Russian business partner who said he "left Russia the next day after this KGB bastard came to power". The quote is somewhat milder in English.

 

[GoodGame]

I wonder if the Afghans people have forgotten their own recent history sufficiently to want to have anything to do with the Russians.

Probably a lesser of two evils though. Taliban or Putin. You decide.

 

[Cutlass]

Yeah maybe (I'm actually not sure if thats true overall), but you know people dont look into history books at stats if to find out who to dislike in these circumstances, they dislike they ones who are bombing them to pieces now.

How many of the children who lost limbs and digits to those toy bombs the Russians seeded the place with do you think are adults now as living reminders?

 

[RedRalph]

You can write off Bulgaria - after letting them freeze for 2 weeks, Bulgarians started re-evaluating their fondness of their Orthodox Slavic brothers. The same with Serbia to a lesser degree.

Yeah thats right, hundereds of years of friendship and shared culture will be wiped out by a two week economic dispute. sure.

In Belarus, Venezuela, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan ( ), Kazakhstan ( ) and much of Central Asia, the "pro-Russian" attitude is usually limited to the members of the ruling elite.

Is it now? Source? Thansk for pointing out the sp mistakes, but you will note I usually spell words in English wrong too, its to do with haste rather than illiteracy.

And let's not forget that Russia is trying hard to drive away its remaining friends by heavy-handed foreign policy. Few more years of this and there would be nobody left, except few dictators who don't have to listen to the people - like Lukashenko.

Yet again, what you wish was happening =/= what is happening. Anyone can see Russia's influence is on the rise, anyone.

 

[RedRalph]

True Ukrainians don't like Russia. Freckin' Mongol suck ups.

What defines a true Ukranian?

Cuba cannot stand Russia. They felt betrayed.

Read much of the news lately? do I need to dig up stories?

 

[RedRalph]

Ethnically Russian colonists, who wouldn't leave here for Russia at gunpoint.
There are some later immigrants too, to be honest. I have at least one Russian business partner who said he "left Russia the next day after this KGB bastard came to power". The quote is somewhat milder in English.

Irrelevant. My statement still stands.

 

[RedRalph]

How many of the children who lost limbs and digits to those toy bombs the Russians seeded the place with do you think are adults now as living reminders?

dont get me wrong - they arent at all popular, but I'm wuilling to bet they are probably not as hated as NATO nowadays.

 

[Azale]

You know, there is a multi-quote button...

 

[RedRalph]

I thought you could only use that to break down one post?

 

[GoodGame]

No click multi on each post you want to reply to. It's like a batch CtL+V

 

[Theige]

What defines a true Ukranian?

Someone who speaks Ukrainian and identifies themselves as such. Pretty simple.

On topic, Karzai seems to be a roaring idiot. If the Russians were to accept any "offer" he made, they'd be even bigger idiots to accept!

 

[Zarn]

What defines a true Ukranian?



Read much of the news lately? do I need to dig up stories?

Someone who is ethnically Ukrainian. Don't try that bull, because I am ethnically Ukrainian.

I'm also Cuban. My Cuban relatives have a negative viewpoint of Russia, even the more socialistic ones. Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crises?

 

[RedRalph]

Someone who is ethnically Ukrainian. Don't try that bull, because I am ethnically Ukrainian.

I'm also Cuban. My Cuban relatives have a negative viewpoint of Russia, even the more socialistic ones. Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crises?

right, so what makes one ethnically ukranian as opposed to mixed Russia/ukranian? How come you decide what opinion true ukranians hold on Russia? BS. I'm Irish, does that mean I get to decide what true Irish people think of , say France?

 

[Winner]

Yeah thats right, hundereds of years of friendship and shared culture will be wiped out by a two week economic dispute. sure.

Is that what I said, my melodramatic friend? No, it isn't. Most Slavic nations feel some sort of basic affection to each other (even to the Russians ), that's a cultural/ethnic thing. That doesn't mean it always translates into real world political cooperation.

Serbians perhaps like Russia because it stood by them on many occasions, but they're not willing to entrust their future to it. Instead, they chose the EU, just as the Bulgarians. The gas crisis was only a wake up call to the remaining romantics out there. Russia is not an alternative to Europe nor a friend you can count out. Bulgarians learned that the hard way.

Is it now? Source?

Source: common sense. Unless you want to provide tons of reliable sources proving that majority of Belarussians love Russia and want to be a part of it, there is nothing to prove on my side.

Thansk for pointing out the sp mistakes, but you will note I usually spell words in English wrong too, its to do with haste rather than illiteracy.

Did I say something else? Given the insane number of people on this forum who can't spell the word "Czech" right, I feel obliged to fight for the right of other countries to have their names spelled correctly too

Yet again, what you wish was happening =/= what is happening. Anyone can see Russia's influence is on the rise, anyone.

This is so Ralphish - these phrases of yours using the fictional crushing majority of people who stand by you as an argument. I don't know what you're basing it on, perhaps you have many like-minded friends, but it is NOT the reality