Seon
Not An Evil Liar
.I do not rely on the Plebeians, and I do not know if they love me or not. I am honored that you believe I am loved by them. I do not rely on the Plebeians as a source of power. I respect them and care for them as Roman citizens of this empire.
Did I say that you are loved? No, I said you love the people. There is a difference.
The Senate exists to serve Rome. And Rome is The Roman People and citizens. We command respect, which you seem to not be able to show. Your view of the senate is egotistical and selfish. You see nothing more than your private power and honor and do more to insult and lower the honor of the Romans. It is you who will bring Rome into a spiral of chaos and civil unrest and warfare with your selfish ideals.
Senate does not exist to serve Rome. We, the Senate, are Rome. The Senators are leaders, not servants. We are Romans, not Athenians and their silly concepts of Democracy. Whatever we decide here is the Will of the Republic as a whole. The people do not have this power.
You speak as if the Will of the State is somehow separate from the Will of the Senate, as if they are somehow separate.
This is false.
A person living in our province of Africa does not naturally care about the woes of those in Gaul. People living in Sicily does not naturally care about our woes in Hispania.
It is we, the Senate, who cares. It is we, the Senate, who knows. Our combined powers and knowledge is greater than any other organization in the known world. If there is any that oppose our will, than it will die. It will die so that we, the Senate and the People of Rome, may live in peace. We are not the servants of the Roman People. We are their Leaders. It is a Greek thought to believe that a Leader is a servant of the People.
It is not a Roman Thought. Roman thoughts make sense. A leader leads, he does not serve. If Rome, as a people, rules over the entire world, does the entire world rule over Rome? No, Rome rules the entire world.
Anything else is filthy heresy.
And I see nothing more than my own powers and honors? Oh please. I have never mentioned my own personal glory. I only seek to bring the State to its full glory. Do you see me here running for the consulship? I don't think so.
But it did. The Plebeians were much better fed than are without the Gracchii Reforms. I do not support the reforms for the support of the plebeians. That is only your selfish view, where you think we all only care for our own power and influence. My interest is that Roman citizens will be able to work for their living, own their own lands and be able to feed themselves.
That is an assertion. A land itself does not feed a Plebian if he does not effectively farm it. Also, your interest? What use does YOUR interest hold in the sacred halls of the Senate? You must convince us that the Reforms are in the best interest of the State and the Senate.
Your interests means Jack. Putting forth your interest over those of the Republic, as you seem to be doing, is unbecoming of a consul.
The Grain Dole will weaken the Roman economy far more than the Gracchii reforms. It will be a constant, and growing hole in the Roman balance.
And how would you go about improving the grain output? By magic perhaps? Or perhaps by granting them more lands - and creating many more poor, increasing the Grain Dole beyond any possible way of fulfilling.
Also an assertion. You do not know the effects of either policies as it has not happened yet. I merely wish for the less chaotic route.
Improving infrastructure in breadbasket provinces such as Africa and Sicily will improve grain output.
Not breaking apart large plantations will not decrease our grain output.
It's simple like that.
Your observation are simplistic and egotistical. They are also flawed and wrong. I do not consider those who disagree with me as my rivals. If they were to be my rivals, why would I support both of them to control legions of the empire?
You keep saying the word, egotistic, yet you do not seem to know what that means. Egotistic implies that I will get something out of said observation. Egotistic implies that I never care for another person's valuable opinion.
But I will apologize anyways for my, perhaps out of the line, remarks that these men were your rivals. Surely you were not planning to put them in dangerous campaigns in order that they may see an early death. Surely you were not planning to send them away in commands of the legions in order that their votes not be counted any more in the halls of the senate.
As you are an honorable man who would never deign to such activities, I offer my sincerest apologies.
Learn manners. You are speaking with such disgrace and insults at an honorable senator of Rome. You speak of respect and honor, but show none. Those territories are already the least stable. A man of intrigue and ability to move secret plans and plots is ideal to Anatolia, where the king of Pontus always looks to topple the Roman control over the area.
A True Roman bows to nobody. A true Roman is an honest man with a simple tongue. He speaks what is on his mind. I will offer my apologies that I suggested that you were a sinister criminal mastermind with ulterior motives to almost every bloody action that you take. It was not my intention to say so.
What I had intended to say is that I completely understand your logic to employ Cassidorous, joy of every party and a patron of Bacchus, as your spymaster in Anatolia. Yes.
Why would I not? I enjoy what life has to offer. The province is also highly stable and high in its economic power, and I, as a management person at heart, would do well to control such a province for Rome to prosper, as well as myself, I do not deny that. It is also the reason I see Titus Lucretius Longus as a good candidate for the other richest province of our empire. He is also a man of managment who could probably control a province to th very best.
Yes, I completely see the reasoning behind sending two inexperienced senators to the most dangerous places in our territories while those who are experienced with dealing with management lounge in Italy.
I also applaud your forthrightness in claiming that you will use your position of consulship in order for personal prosperity. Such forthrightness is truly becoming of a True Roman.
Such position, however, is not, you propudium.