Many Leaders Game

I took the Alexander save and played till 2000BC. Results are in the spoiler
Spoiler :
As of 2000BC, I have 1 woodsman scout still exploring.
3 promoted Archers due to a whip on a barracks and using overflow for a free archer. 1 Archer is fogbusting, 1 in capitol and another is escorting a settler. I didnt make any warriors. I have 1 worker and am 4 turns from producing another.

I have 99 gold in the bank from a few huts. Capitol is size 5 (max happy) 2 hills are mined, clam and fish are online, and cows are pastured.

The techs I have are:
Fishing
Wheel
Hunting
Mining
Bronze
Animal Hus
Archery
and 1 turn from pottery



The Save:
http://www.deadzoom.com/member/yoohoo3131/AlexanderCabledawgBC-2000.CivWarlordsSave
 
HEY! I thought I would play as Alexander! :confused:
So now, what?
Well, whatever. Mice, could you please put me a save with Freddy?
 
Played a quick 50 turns:
Spoiler :
Popped two huts for map and 38gp. Built second city about 2800bc to snag horses. Didn't go for a religion. Techwise started with fishing and mining, researched BW, mysticism, hunting, AH, IW, now sailing. Built workboat early and whipped a lot.
A map (may be a spoiler if you haven't got IW)
Spoiler :



http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/90414/Victoria_Pigswill_BC-2000.CivWarlordsSave
 
Cabledawg, the Alex save is for fbelintani. The idea is one of each leader only . First in first served.

Cabledawg, as you are an experienced player, could you play your turns again as another leader?


Sorry for the confusion.

fbelintani keep going as Alex.

Tatran, your save is on the way.
 
cool. I thought we might have cross posted then :crazyeye:

so, fbelintaqni ALEX

cabledawg, yet to decide and replay, I hope:)


Tatran, here's Augustus.
 
Ok, got my turns. Let's see how much Cabledawg was better than me! :)

Spoiler :

:science:
Greece starts with Fishing and Hunting.
I went with Mining -> BW First. Bronze was way too far. Researched Archery just in case and went to Alpha via AH -> Writing. Had to take a detour to Mysticism before Alpha (due in 20-something, depending on the MM on Athens) to get horses. I intend to trade all worker techs back.

:hammers:
MM a little for better timing. :whipped: wasn't that much used. I lost the timing on the Barracks Whip because my civ was acting weird on city screens. :badcomp:
I started to remove some CustomAssets now.

:traderoute:
Founded Sparta for Horses on the hill 2N of it. Will grab the Rice too.
I :scan: for another city location and found a killer one with Bronze, Cows and gold by the river. I just don't know if I can settle there.

I think I timed correctly alpha with my needed worker techs (Wheel and Agri). Sparta borders will pop in about 13 turns from now (after the Monument is chopped). Being Philo, I'll TRY to get the 'mids.

Full autolog:
Spoiler :
Turn 0 (4000 BC)
Athens founded
Athens begins: Work Boat
Research begun: Mining

Turn 1 (3960 BC)
Tribal village results: a little gold

Turn 2 (3920 BC)

Turn 3 (3880 BC)

Turn 4 (3840 BC)
Athens's borders expand

Turn 5 (3800 BC)

Turn 6 (3760 BC)

Turn 7 (3720 BC)
Research begun: Bronze Working
Athens grows: 2

Turn 8 (3680 BC)
Tribal village results: a little gold
Scout defeats (0.28/1): Barbarian Lion

Turn 9 (3640 BC)

Turn 10 (3600 BC)

Turn 11 (3560 BC)

Turn 12 (3520 BC)

Turn 13 (3480 BC)

Turn 14 (3440 BC)

Turn 15 (3400 BC)
Athens finishes: Work Boat
Contact made: Indian Empire

Turn 16 (3360 BC)
Athens begins: Warrior

Turn 17 (3320 BC)
Athens grows: 3

Turn 18 (3280 BC)

Turn 19 (3240 BC)
Tribal village results: lots of gold

Turn 20 (3200 BC)
Athens finishes: Warrior

Turn 21 (3160 BC)
Research begun: Archery
Athens begins: Work Boat
Contact made: Zulu Empire
Scout loses to: Barbarian Panther (1.62/2)

Turn 22 (3120 BC)

Turn 23 (3080 BC)
Athens finishes: Work Boat

Turn 24 (3040 BC)
Athens begins: Warrior
Athens grows: 3

Turn 25 (3000 BC)

Turn 26 (2960 BC)

Turn 27 (2920 BC)
Research begun: Animal Husbandry

Turn 28 (2880 BC)
Athens begins: Worker
Warrior defeats (2.00/2): Barbarian Lion

Turn 29 (2840 BC)

Turn 30 (2800 BC)

Turn 31 (2760 BC)
Contact made: French Empire

Turn 32 (2720 BC)

Turn 33 (2680 BC)

Turn 34 (2640 BC)
Athens finishes: Worker

Turn 35 (2600 BC)
Athens grows: 4
Athens finishes: Warrior

Turn 36 (2560 BC)
Research begun: Writing
Athens begins: Settler

Turn 37 (2520 BC)
Warrior defeats (2.00/2): Barbarian Lion

Turn 38 (2480 BC)

Turn 39 (2440 BC)

Turn 40 (2400 BC)

Turn 41 (2360 BC)

Turn 42 (2320 BC)

Turn 43 (2280 BC)

Turn 44 (2240 BC)

Turn 45 (2200 BC)
Research begun: Mysticism
Athens finishes: Settler

Turn 46 (2160 BC)
Athens begins: Barracks
Warrior defeats (0.72/2): Barbarian Lion

Turn 47 (2120 BC)
Warrior promoted: Woodsman I
Warrior defeats (0.44/2): Barbarian Lion

Turn 48 (2080 BC)

Turn 49 (2040 BC)
Sparta founded
Sparta begins: Barracks
Athens grows: 5
Athens finishes: Barracks

Turn 50 (2000 BC)
Research begun: Alphabet
Athens begins: Archer
Sparta begins: Monument


Screens:

Greece:
Spoiler :


City site:
Spoiler :



Almost forgot THE SAVE!
 
I'm not used to play at Normal speed.

Spoiler :
3360 BC (16)
Rome founded.
Start to research Bronze Working.



IBT 3280 BC
Buddhism founded somewhere.

IBT 3240 BC
Well, Gandhi founded it.

2800 BC (25)
Bronze Working is known, start to research The Wheel.





2520 BC (37)
The Wheel is known, start to research Agriculture.

IBT 2520 BC
Hinduism founded somewhere.

2200 BC (45)
Agriculture is known, start to research Animal Husbandry.



2040 BC (49)
Antium founded.



2000 BC (50)
Revolt to Slavery.
 
Well, I already see a problem with this thread. :(
The knowledge from other spoilers. Different founding
first city spots, different way in research.
I'll play this one out without looking at the results.
Domination, right?
 
Tatran, I thought I gave you the wrong save until i realised that you moved your capital VERY far from the start position.

The spoilers dont matter too much I think. The idea is to look at what people did with their starting techs, traits and compare.

Ideally we wait now for all saves to come in before playing on. This minimizes the effect of map knowledge from other saves. One more day.

Futurehermit (where are you?) had the idea of a vote for the best save at the end of each round. I think it's too early to tell in 2000 BC, but we should check out everybodies save out of interest, and then play another 50 turns. At that point it will be clearer who is getting an advantage.



We can have an informal vote for the 'save most likely to result in a scorching victory'.

Victory conditon, why limit it? It could work that after 5 or 6 turnsets we let the game run to any victory that players want, and then they post the final save with a small description of what happened.

BTW, Tatran, how do you get your screenshot that size? Mine are too big.
 
fbelintani, that great spot you marked out is where Tatran walked his settler to to found Rome !

Nice placement of the horse city. I put mine 1 tile south and missed the rice:blush:
Why?? Better production in the short term I guess, but it's an error I think.

Attempting the 'mids. Hope you get it so we can see an SE.
 
Tatran: re pre-knowledge of map spoiling game. It's a problem I had in Trash game threads. Solution is a matter of self-discipline; continue your game as you had intended after finishing your set and base decisions purely on info in your game. You can't stop subliminal bias but you can certainly avoid conscious influences.
 
I don't like coastal starts much. Lack of production +
more city upkeep, because you can only expand one way.

I resize the screenshots from 100X100 to 75X75.
 
I wanted to see pigswill map after I played to see where he settled. But when he said he got IW, I thought it was better for me to stay out of it. It wouldn't be fair with myself!
@mice: Actually, my spot was 1 tile North of his. He didn't get the gold in Rome's BFC! ;)

Can I ask something? Do you guys think it's worth moving the first settler that much? And Tatran, if you hadn't the spoiler, would you have done the same moving?
 
fbelintani, you and Pigswill settled the second city in the same spot (and the capital). Good spot. I cant believe I messed that up. The interesting thing for me is the starting techs and how people are using them.

Only me and Cabert/Ramesses are spiritual. I'm going for religion, I wonder if he will too, or just war chariot hell..

Fish and Mining is a great start for Victoria and Hannibal.(Pigswill,Kanga_DU)

Still plenty of leaders available for lurkers who want to jump in.
 
I've played 150 turns so far, so I don't think the spoilers will
reveal any secrets I don't know yet.

16 turns travelling is something I normally won't do, because
I play raging barbarians at Marathon and they show up at 2200 BC.
I try to settle within 5 turns and at maximum 10 turns and try to
get some stone (Great Wall if not Industrious).

Also, from my Marathon games I prefer to settle on a plains hill.
I'm not really satisfied with the outcome so far (missing resources
in fat cross etc.). Production + rivers was the main goal in settling.
 
From the other spoilers, everyone settled in place.
Good location for philosophical leaders. Average for
financial leaders. Cottaged rivers are better + some food bonus +
some hills. All the leaders I've seen so far aren't organized and
settling in the far west means a lot of upkeep. I'm curious what
your science rate will be after you've settled that area.
 
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