My Name is Prince (Practice Round)

[VoiceOfUnreason]

It would be better to wait until you had unhappiness or wanted to whip something.

The worker, perhaps.

 

[Treedweller]

I agree with switching to both of these, but you got no immediate benefit and delayed your warrior & worker.

It would be better to wait until you had unhappiness or wanted to whip something.

Yeah, in hindsight, it would've been much smarter to just delay the anarchy for when I needed the religion and the civics... I'll keep that in mind from now on and think of the immediate benefits before being so hasty.

And VoU, if I was to go after Charlemagne with a Hwacha/Axe combination, what proportion would I specifically need of these to take his capital? And around how many cities would you guess I'd need to keep up with military production while still keeping up in terms of research/necessary buildings? I know it varies, but I'm an extremely unexperienced warmonger. Moreover, it'd be a good idea to have a city closer to him than just my capital, right? If the red dot isn't a good idea, I'm not sure where I'd put a city close to him, since there aren't any ideal locations I can see.

But so far, general consensus seems to be to steal the worker, place my second city on the orange dot, connect with the copper, and then chop the Oracle for a CoL slingshot while beelining to Construction for Hwachas.

 

[eewallace]

An alternative might be second city on the orange dot, connect the copper, then chop enough axement to take Charlemagne's capitol...after all, that gold mine looks sweet. But I really seldom go for the early-religion thing and usually have alot more focus on worker and military techs early on, so maybe the axe rush is too ambigious for this situation.

 

[VoiceOfUnreason]

And VoU, if I was to go after Charlemagne with a Hwacha/Axe combination, what proportion would I specifically need of these to take his capital? And around how many cities would you guess I'd need to keep up with military production while still keeping up in terms of research/necessary buildings? I know it varies, but I'm an extremely unexperienced warmonger. Moreover, it'd be a good idea to have a city closer to him than just my capital, right? If the red dot isn't a good idea, I'm not sure where I'd put a city close to him, since there aren't any ideal locations I can see.

Having a good production city close to your target is a good thing. But I wouldn't throw a bad city out there just to have one near by.

For units - since siege units can't kill, you generally need one attacking unit for each defender, plus a few spares for bad luck, and possibly some garrison units if you hope to hold the city. The Hwachas are lumber to be burned.

Code of Laws from the Oracle sounds to me like an auto pilot play. Why not Construction from the Oracle? or Metal Casting (Silver to the south, gold and gems in the lands we intend to capture, copper and coastal city for Colossus...)? Are you sure that the Oracle fits with your other plans?

 

[Treedweller]

Well, I did mention a few posts back that a Construction slingshot may be a good idea, but I thought CoL would be good to beeline to CS; and, I kind of feel obligated now to build the Oracle because I researched Priesthood early on, which is pretty much a waste so early when it could've been researching much more useful techs. Of course, I shouldn't really attempt to further compound any mistakes by building a wonder I probably don't need.

Overall though, it seems like I made a bunch of stupid mistakes that would be somewhat difficult to recover from, coupled with the fact that the land easily available to me isn't phenomenal and I'm lacking a consistent focus (haha, exactly what I said my main problem was). Oh well, this *is* a practice round I guess, and I'm learning a lot.

 

[PaulusIII]

If you do not want to take out Charle before Hwachas a construction beeline would be sensible. As said before in this thread (correct me if I'm wrong ) Hwachas beat anything short of horse archers in the fields, and I doubt Charle would go for them that soon.

Oh, and by the way: Use the Attachment option in the posting screen to add your save if you want to.

 

[Treedweller]

Ah, I didn't see that attachment option Paulus, thanks.

I've now added the 4000 BC save and the turn 39 save to their respective posts, let me know if they don't work.

 

[Gwynnja]

I like the idea of trying to get construction from the Oracle. It's not a sure thing, you'll have to time your build to coincide with finishing mathematics, but the worst thing that could happen is you'll have someone else take it first. I'm a comfortable prince/almost there monarch player and the Oracle is usually getting finished between 2000 BC and 1200 BC. Gandhi, Charlie, and Justinian are all religion whores and since you snaked one of the early ones I think it's a good bet that they'll go after masonry > monotheism before priesthood, although we don't know if there's an industrious leader with marble out there.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

After discussion with civcorpse IMO the best way to slingshot construction is to get libraries early, then use the great scientist to bulb math. This makes it much easier for industrious (faster oracle) or philosophical leaders (faster math bulb), although imperialistic and expansive are both better than the remaining traits also.

I'd imagine that if you have copper or ivory that this is stupidly overpowered below monarch, and probably strong up through emperor when pulled off. That is, if you're inclined to warring alot .

Q: What beats a shock elephant pre-feudalism?
A: @#$%@#

 

[vicawoo]

Anarchy is bad. Religions I prefer to switch as late as possible. Civics, if you can get your workers and/or settlers out first, you can have anarchy while your settler is being productive by moving to a city spot and your workers are improving.

 

[Khirron]

After discussion with civcorpse IMO the best way to slingshot construction is to get libraries early, then use the great scientist to bulb math. This makes it much easier for industrious (faster oracle) or philosophical leaders (faster math bulb), although imperialistic and expansive are both better than the remaining traits also.

I'm intrigued by this idea.
Tech path: Priesthood>Masonry>Writing>Maths?
or Priesthood>Writing>Masonry>Maths to get the libraries up first. I imagine the latter.

Should a second city be settled and a library whipped/chopped there? Running a specialist might hinder the production there. If we want to run the scientist in the second city I think we will need to whip a second worker, on to chop the library in city two and another to chop in the Oracle.

 

[Diamondeye]

Q: What beats a shock elephant pre-feudalism?
A: @#$%@#

A: A formation Praetorian

or​

A: A formation Samurai


EDIT: Pre-Feudalism, A Pikeman beats a shock elephant easily:
6 * (1.75) vs 8 * (1.1)
= 10.5 vs 8.8

Add promos, city, fortify, and/or terrain to that

 

[futurehermit]

Expand to a few cities while teching through construction. Oracle MC or construction if you go the oracle route. Then hit Charlemagne. I wouldn't stretch even for that great city. It just leaves you too strung out too early imo. Charly definitely has to be attacked in the BC era though. With all those gold pits and gems and floodplains he would turn into a protective beast if left unchecked.