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Obama to NASA: Forget space, think about the poor Muslims

What does the National Aeronautics and Space Administration have to do with Islam? Or Christianity? Or Buddhism? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I can't recall any at point in history NASA being used as a tool to push Protestantism, so why do we need the head of one of the most important scientific and engineering institutions on the planet pandering to religion and the self-esteem of unaffiliated populations? This is an absurd assault on science and reason in the name of politics.

I preferred NASA's previous stance on religion of "who gives a ****, we're just engineers."

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So where does Obama say NASA should, as you say, "Forget space"? I'm having trouble finding it. Would an upstanding chap help me with my predicament? :)

When he made it at the very best its fourth priority. In reality is probaby in the teens somewhere behind diversity and gender sensitivity.
I'm disappointing in you, Especially when I agreed with you earlier on.

I seriously doubt Obama actually told him that, he was just being lame and pandering
Earlier you could distinguish between Obama and that other guy sucking up to an audience. Earlier you could distinguish between actual goal setting and the sucking up.

I guess discussion happened :(
 
So where does Obama say NASA should, as you say, "Forget space"? I'm having trouble finding it. Would an upstanding chap help me with my predicament? :)

When he cut program after program, fired 20,000 engineers and scientists, and turned the agency into an outreach program for Muslims.
 
I found one reference relating to 20,000 layoffs and that's in the context of retiring of the shuttle fleet, which was always slated to happen even during the Bush Administration.

Cancelling Constellation was stupid, but that's not NASA being told to "forget space".
 
The more we suck up to these guys the worse it's going to be in the long-run. The first rule of science is that you do not prostrate yourself in front of the ignorance of the World's religions. If science goes about apologising to religion then it gives out a weak and dangerous signal. We cannot apologise to irrational, superstitious forces - it just encourages them to take it to the next level.

I wish NASA would get back to doing science and stop damaging centuries of progress.
 
Who the hell is talking about apologizing?

The lengths to which some of you are taking these comments is quite unbelievable.
 
I found one reference relating to 20,000 layoffs and that's in the context of retiring of the shuttle fleet, which was always slated to happen even during the Bush Administration.

Cancelling Constellation was stupid, but that's not NASA being told to "forget space".

Didn't Obama then increase NASA's budget?
 
The lengths to which some of you are taking these comments is quite unbelievable.
Indeed. It is as if they don't really understand that all NASA administrators have always done PR campaigns such as this, especially since funding dried up and international space exploration efforts became so popular. It is really their primary job responsibility to do so.

No, what is different in this case is that he was talking to Muslims and was quoted in Al-Jazzera! How dare he do so! :lol:
 
The more we suck up to these guys the worse it's going to be in the long-run. The first rule of science is that you do not prostrate yourself in front of the ignorance of the World's religions.
Say that Copernicus. He created the Heliocentric model because he felt that God would want the simplest system. He put religion before the 'scientific' explanation of a Geocentric universe.
If science goes about apologising to religion then it gives out a weak and dangerous signal. We cannot apologise to irrational, superstitious forces - it just encourages them to take it to the next level.
Not all Muslims are superstitious and irrational, only a small minority. No where in the statement is NASA apologizing to Muslims. Rather, by reaching out to them we can stimulate their own domestic industries related to space. BEsides, progress has been shown to work against fundamentalism, so why shouldn't we work to help progress?

I wish NASA would get back to doing science and stop damaging centuries of progress.
HOW IS NASA DAMAGING PROGESS BY TRYING TO GET THE WORLD INVOLVED????????
Seriously. Its not like we are doing anything major in space right now. The Hubble is coming down and we are about to send up its replacements. IIRC we are using Russian Soyuz capsules for manned space travel, and we canceled Constellation. Space is becoming far to expensive for a single country to viably maintain it.
I thought you would like this. The hope of the entire world coming together in an excercise of rational constructions based on rational motives in an attempt to make a better future. The brightest people coming together in an international movement, such as in the ISS. But no, because they are Muslims it is evil and a waste of government dollars.
While admittedly the statement could have been phrased better, who else really is there to reach out to? The Europeans have the ESA, the Russians have one, the Chinese and Indians are developing one, and the Japanese IIRC piggyback of alot of our and the EUs stuff. The ISS was one of the more popular NASA initiatives; the entire world coming together with a single goal. America needs a better international opinion, and NASA has generaly been pretty well thought of internationaly. So why not build upon that?
 
The first rule of science is that you do not prostrate yourself in front of the ignorance of the World's religions.


it is?
 
Of course, imagine how ridiculous it would be for the science of genetics to be discovered by an Augustinian monk for example :lol:
 
A rather relevant article:

Earth to Conservatives
NASA has always been about diplomacy.

Washington, we have a problem.

First, President Barack Obama whittled NASA down to a research center that oversees private space flight. Now he appears to have turned it into a subdivision of the State Department.

On a visit to Cairo last week, NASA chief Charles Bolden gave an interview to Al-Jazeera in which he said that Obama charged him with three missions: to "re-inspire children to want to get into science and math," to "expand our international relationships," and, "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

Conservatives were not over the moon. On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer called Bolden's comments "a new height of fatuousness. NASA was established to get America into space and to keep us there. This idea of 'to feel good about your past scientific achievements' is the worst kind of group therapy, psycho-babble, imperial condescension and adolescent diplomacy." At National Review Online's The Corner, Victor Davis Hanson questioned whether it's "really the business of a government scientific agency to produce historical and scientific narratives for political purposes." Hot Air's Ed Morrissey argued that "Muslim nations should be insulted by the idea that the US pays NASA to provide them with paternalistic and patronizing validation and self-esteem boosts. And they probably will be."

Damage control ensued. A NASA spokesman told ABC that Bolden "understands that NASA's core mission is exploration." The White House threaded the two themes together, emphasizing that NASA should "engage with the world's best scientists and engineers as we work together to push the boundaries of exploration," including outreach to "many Muslim-majority countries."
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Bolden chose his words poorly when he said the goal was to make Muslim nations "feel good." But his statement revealed a truth about NASA that's rarely articulated by public officials: One of its main missions is now—and always has been—public relations.

When NASA was first created in 1958, it served several purposes. The United States and the Soviet Union were engaged in a Cold War, so the space race was partly about defense—whoever controlled the skies controlled the world. But it was also symbolic: Landing on the moon before the Soviets represented the triumph of American technology and innovation. It was also an opportunity for the United States to win fans across the globe. There's a reason Neil Armstrong didn't call the moon landing one giant leap for the United States of America.

Ever since that first trip to the moon, though, NASA has struggled to justify its existence. There's still the defense justification: The only reason we're not speaking Russian now is that we didn't let the Soviets overtake us in space technology. But the real battleground has always been in the troposphere, not the thermosphere. There's the more benign scientific explanation: NASA pioneered breakthroughs in areas from experimental aircraft to satellite communications. Who knows what it may discover next? But it takes a lot of taxpayer money. There's also the romantic justification. In 2004, George W. Bush tried to recapture the glory of the 1960s by outlining a vision for astronauts to return to the moon by 2020.* "Mankind is drawn to the heavens for the same reason we were once drawn into unknown lands and across the open sea," he said at the time. "We choose to explore space because doing so improves our lives and lifts the national spirit." Even Obama invoked President Kennedy's moon shot during the 2008 campaign as an example of American industriousness. But again, $19 billion is a lot to spend on mechanical poetry.

That leaves the diplomacy justification. The Shuttle-Mir Program, a U.S.-Russia collaboration announced in 1993, fostered good relations between former rivals. The International Space Station was another opportunity for cooperation with Russia, Japan, and the European Space Agency. Obama puts even more emphasis on international relations. An administration report on national space policy released last week promises that exploration projects will help "all nations and peoples—space-faring and space-benefiting." It also assures allies that "there shall be no national claims of sovereignty over outer space or any celestial bodies." In more concrete terms, the administration's current plans for human space travel—a stop by an asteroid by 2025, followed by an eventual (and still very hypothetical) trip to Mars—would likely include other nations, and U.S. officials have reportedly reached out to China about joint space efforts.

In context, using NASA to reach out to the Muslim world doesn't sound all that crazy. Bolden may have put that goal in patronizing terms. But the core idea—that space efforts represent an opportunity for cooperation with countries in the Middle East—is a compelling one. Iran has a space program, as do Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates. Inviting them to join the International Space Station or to collaborate on bilateral projects would be win-win.

That becomes difficult, of course, when administrations keep whittling away NASA's annual budget, which now stands at a measly $19 billion—a tiny slice of the Defense Department's $708 billion allotment. Perhaps the State Department can throw in a few extra billion.

http://www.slate.com/id/2258830/
 
Part of NASA's job is to inspire kids to think big. Pale Blue Dot kinda thinking. To the Moon and back kinda thinking.
Then NASA should figure out how to revive and rejuvenate Carl Sagan. Or hire Jodie Foster to do publicity for them - she was channeling Sagan perfectly in some of the scenes in Contact.

Obama needs to read Ben Bova's "Grand Tour" series and think, "Now why can't we do that stuff?" Minus the nanotech terrorism and the New Morality, of course. But those books are practically a blueprint on how to get the industrialized nations to cooperate on huge, expensive space endeavors - and to also enable private corporations to get involved as well.
 
I'm disappointing in you, Especially when I agreed with you earlier on.


Earlier you could distinguish between Obama and that other guy sucking up to an audience. Earlier you could distinguish between actual goal setting and the sucking up.

I guess discussion happened :(

There is no discrepency. Obama does not set the agenda of NASA, he appointes people who set the agenda of NASA who will presumaby take his wishes into account.

Whether Obama sanctioned these statements or not is irrelevant as to what NASA is being directed to do. The director just told you what he intends to make NASA do.
 
Emperor's new space programme is taking shape. More politics, less spaceflight, yay. I wonder when we'll have to start changing ISS's orbit each time it's about to fly over Mecca, so that we don't insult anyone.

NASA probably won't survive the next few years unscathed.
 
Of course, imagine how ridiculous it would be for the science of genetics to be discovered by an Augustinian monk for example :lol:

everyone knows Catholics are anti-science :rolleyes:
 
I wish people would use "Arabic" or "Middle-Eastern". It's more accurate.

Why? The official used the word Muslim. What is the problem with that? They are clearly unconcerned about non-Muslim people who live in the middle east. And there are millions of people who are Muslim that are not Arabic.
 
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