Pietato
Platonic Perfection
Canada still sucks. You must be really bad at fighting early wars.
No I'm fine at it. I just hate it. It slows you down, significantly.
My turn 80 economy with Canada is SIGNIFICANTLY better than anyone else's (with the exception of Inca).
Agreed... Early wars are costly (and then you feel the need to get enough out of the war to catch up and so you are forced to commit to wholesale domination... A lot of my games end as unintentional domination that way)No I'm fine at it. I just hate it. It slows you down, significantly.
My turn 80 economy with Canada is SIGNIFICANTLY better than anyone else's (with the exception of Inca).
Norway isn't top tier, but after playing them with the patches/GS mechanics, they're super fun. Much better to play than before! I suggest definitely playing them to that strong pillage game like you're talking about, the earlier the better since you can focus on other goals and raid developed civs for culture and science in addition to gold/faith. Berserker still kinda sucks but what are you gonna do.More thoughts:
Harald: Harald and Norway are a weird one to talk about, since they got no real direct buffs, but a universal nerf to everyone else leaves them in a much better spot. Since other Civs cannot get science/culture bonuses from pillaging improvements, this nerfs wartime bonuses in a way that was desperately needed for game balance—unless you’re Norway. If you’re playing our boy Harald, you still get these pillage yields. This honestly is pretty massive, especially considering all the incentives to pillage in the rest of Norway’s kit; this specific bonus is what Norway needed on launch to be competitive in the current meta. Norway effectively gets a lot more out of going to war than any other Civ in the game.Now, the Civ still has a lot of the same problems it did before, but considering the other buffs the Civ has received in other patches, they could honestly be much better than both I & anyone else is giving them credit for.
And it gets an active penalty to defending which is WILD...that's just bad designYeah, the Berserler is designed to pillage, which means it will be taking a lot of defensive hits...
Mostly agree although I wouldMy revised tier list, for Spring 2019
Mostly agree although I would
- definitely up Egypt 1 tier I think this is actually a decent civ now
- maybe up Dido as well
- maybe even up Georgia 1
- drop China 1
Skeptical that Peter is worthy of breaking into S-tier over A. He just doesn't register as elite to me, like all the others up there do.
China probably deserves A on an even playing field, but in my limited experience falls off against higher level AI, where your big Wonder bonus means sailing into the wind, so to speak.
Dido is really just super map-dependent. And there are plenty of maps, including many Continent layouts, where she can get away with a lot.
Georgia is definitely a "C tier" civ now, as city states + envoys are just too big. It requires a lot to go decently for her to work, but it's not unreasonable and the reward of success is huge. (I mean come on, DOUBLE envoys?!?)
Skeptical that Peter is worthy of breaking into S-tier over A. He just doesn't register as elite to me, like all the others up there do.
America is probably not so high up in B (if he makes it into B at all) if we ignore the AI overvaluing favor. (If we are including that, carry on I suppose.)
Conversely I feel like Saudi is better than most of its peers in B-tier, not worse. Remember, Saudi automatically makes all other religious civs in its games quite a bit worse, and has unusually robust victory condition coverage.
I also don't know what to make of Norway now. The pillaging was nuts before, and now it's better for them. I don't have a great opinion yet, but surely that had to have moved the needle?
CertainlyMay I ask why you would move them up/down?