The only issue that I see with things like this is the speed at which one obtains the tech, even if you can put the necessary funding in in one turn (which in most case is one year) it would take far more than one year to develop, test, and implement on a large scale. Along with that I feel that some techs would require other baseline techs before they can be used or cost much much more, say nanobots would need massive investment into energy technologies to be effective. So my whole two cents is that I mainly have issues with the speed radical tech is produced.
Pre-LizNES6: Fortune Favors the Brutal
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The only issue that I see with things like this is the speed at which one obtains the tech, even if you can put the necessary funding in in one turn (which in most case is one year) it would take far more than one year to develop, test, and implement on a large scale. Along with that I feel that some techs would require other baseline techs before they can be used or cost much much more, say nanobots would need massive investment into energy technologies to be effective. So my whole two cents is that I mainly have issues with the speed radical tech is produced.
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
Just so everyone knows, I will be away on vacation from this Tuesday coming up, until about Friday evening. I'm leaving relatively early Tuesday morning, so tomorrow will probably be my last day on for a couple days. It's fairly bad timing, but, what can I do.
That being said BT orders by Friday, though in the slim chance everyone can get them in for me, by tomorrow evening, I should be able to get it up. No promises though.
That being said BT orders by Friday, though in the slim chance everyone can get them in for me, by tomorrow evening, I should be able to get it up. No promises though.
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I'm brain fried today, but I'm not completely clear on when you want orders? Tomorrow or Friday?
From what I understand is Friday, but if everyone can get them in by tomorrow there is a small chance for the update then.
TheLizardKing
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I don't think military grade should require foreign trainers. This allow projects like anti-matter rifles (just jokes kozmos) to increase quality without requiring foreign support. Maybe it should be very expensive to get to top ranks though (like quality x3EP or something).
Assuming that military quality makes your units better, like if you have military quality 4 and your enemy 1 and you send up 10 squads fighters and they send up 20 and you still end winning, then there is no reason to make them cheaper once you get higher grades in military quality. It just gets too great a difference between high quality and low if thats the case because not only does your 1 fighter shoot down two of theirs (or whatever) but you have twice as many fighters for every EP.
so yeah... those are my thoughts... but do whatever you want. ultimately not my choice.
Milarqui
Deity
Since no one seems to catch the joke...
- The story is awfully similar to a certain series protagonized by Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly/Serenity and Hana Gitelman from Heroes.
- The name of the author is a mix of both the old and the new name of the main character of said series, translated into Spanish (to be exact, the middle name of his birth name and the surname after he changed his name).
That said, I hope someone finally understands it.
- The story is awfully similar to a certain series protagonized by Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly/Serenity and Hana Gitelman from Heroes.
- The name of the author is a mix of both the old and the new name of the main character of said series, translated into Spanish (to be exact, the middle name of his birth name and the surname after he changed his name).
That said, I hope someone finally understands it.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Oh that's why I don't get it, both Firefly and Heroes were horrible.
Lacking in submarines in naval departments and CAS (Helicopters, UCAV) in Airforce. Quality should almost always beat quantity. Remember Col. Corazon Santiago.
Lacking in submarines in naval departments and CAS (Helicopters, UCAV) in Airforce. Quality should almost always beat quantity. Remember Col. Corazon Santiago.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
I agree, old NESes ran tech projects that cost both money and time in turns. As for that other point that depends on tech to tech. Why should nanobots require investment into energy technologies? The buggers are relatively self-sufficient. I would understand giant mechs or field lasers though, those need a sustained high-output power source.
Question then, will tech projects take eco, industry and time? It seems a good way to nerf the hell out of me, so I'm good with it.
Dispatch From 한국의 웅대한 제국 (Grand Empire of Korea)
To Tibet
We certainly have no territorial ambitions in your direction. We are also willing to agree that if you are not the cause of hostilities we will aid you as we can to prevent your hostile takeover.
To The Project
We do not believe fusion is a viable technology achievable in the near enough future to be worth the investment at this time. If your future efforts begin to show results that are promising enough then we would be willing to revisit the situation at that time.
To Tibet
We certainly have no territorial ambitions in your direction. We are also willing to agree that if you are not the cause of hostilities we will aid you as we can to prevent your hostile takeover.
To The Project
We do not believe fusion is a viable technology achievable in the near enough future to be worth the investment at this time. If your future efforts begin to show results that are promising enough then we would be willing to revisit the situation at that time.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
To Korea
From the Project
30 years is a sufficient enough time for success. Seeing as we have the data from our own ancestors with our own solo work the last 30 years. [Historical document: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER#Timeline_and_current_status]
From the Project
30 years is a sufficient enough time for success. Seeing as we have the data from our own ancestors with our own solo work the last 30 years. [Historical document: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER#Timeline_and_current_status]
And yet we don't know if ITER will work, as it has not been complete yet, nor will be until barring unforseen issues 2024. The best prior was 65% of input for 0.5 seconds. And this is why I was saying I would rather not have science and tech overshadow playability of a nes.
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
Kozmos said:
Submarines I agree with. I do understand CAS, but in terms of me looking at battles, I would be under the assumption that a few helicopters on both sides are flying around. I dunno, I wouldn't really look at that as much, because the lower grade regiments wouldn't come with them, or at least them in any major quantity, but then the higher grade regiments would. The same thing goes with artillery. I imagine it's there.
Kozmos said:
Yeah, probably. But the issue goes with the fact I have a relatively limited understanding of science, in most regards to this type of tech, seeing as I've never researched it, and would really honestly rather not have to spend hours and hours doing so. That's not to say I won't if I don't have to.. but I don't feel comfortable giving a price and time that is either way to high and long, or small and short. Because if it turns out that whatever tech you're building is game changing, and could hypothetically.. blow up the moon, or something I didn't quite understand from the start, and I made it easy to achieve, I'd kick myself. Where as, I also see you complaining if it's something rather menail, that takes 20 years. Which I understand.
So I suppose, what I'm trying to say is, I don't know nearly enough about your tech to be able to give you any sort of realistic time table for that. And I don't want you to self-regulate, as some of your ideas are.. very hopeful.
For example, this ITER project. I don't know if it will work or not either. It has only worked in a limited capacity. And I'm wondering why. Assuming at some point it can or will work, my question is then, how much time does it take to work, and more importantly, what game changing benefits will you have? A bit more industry?
Milarqui said:
Never saw or read either.
Immac said:
Adrogans said:
Well, I agree that Foreign Trainers should be one of several options. Thoughts, what else are those options?
-Fighting, and winning Battles
-Throwing Money at it, along with better training programs (If so, how much money would be acceptable?)
Immac said:
Hm. I mean, this makes a lot of sense. But I suppose what I wanted to do, was make units roughly on par with one another, save for experience. A regiment from Sonora is as effective as a regiment from Texas, or Mexico, or Deseret, or whatever. But, the fact is, Sonora can only recruit so many regiment means they have to be careful with what they use. That was, yes, one Sonoran Regiment can fight off an invading Californian Regiment, but the fact that California has so many Regiments wins. There is also experience, which I'd take in account during the calculation.
Milarqui
Deity
Further explaining:
The series is Castle. (Damn, for some reason, you guys haven't made the connection). Castle's birth name is Richard Alexander Rodgers, and his second name is Richard Edgar Castle. Alexander Castle -> Alejandro Castillo.
The series is Castle. (Damn, for some reason, you guys haven't made the connection). Castle's birth name is Richard Alexander Rodgers, and his second name is Richard Edgar Castle. Alexander Castle -> Alejandro Castillo.
Dreadnought
Deity
I think quality and number of regiments should be independent of one another. basically, players should have two option, the quality of the army or the quantity.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Bro that was JET and that was in 1997...goddamn that was long ago, me and pops were still having war flashbacks back then. Anyway we have come a long way from then and we are still advancing exponentially. Not to mention the total ITER funding is a mere 15 bn euros a year which is a pitiful amount compared to what governments spend on bailing out banks and other extraneous crap. I can do this very much alone, I just wanted to share with you fellas so I don't hear ridiculous zomg Kozmo is braeking the gaem wit "m@d" science y'all! comment later in the game.
@TLK: Every tech can be game-changing if you put the effort in it. Destroying or saving the world is ridiculously easy even if I am shackled by 2010 AD tech. As for fusion and in the long haul subsequent miniaturization...I think the benefits are obvious. A) solved energy problems B) miniaturization theoretically allows powerful and self-sufficient power sources for advanced VTOL aircraft, ships and tanks, but not mechs (building mechs is a dumb concept battlefield and engineering wise, unfeasible without additional far far far off tech) C) power sources for certain high-input weapons D) Opens up research avenues into LENR which is an alternative to 'hot' fusion.
As for army quality I dont see anything wrong with Quality 4 Army beating Quality 1 Army or at least holding their own against 50% more numerous enemies. It is a force modifier like tech, organization or simply better tactics. I agree in general with Dreadnought.
Castle? Oh my, you have to start watching better shows
Yes, but as I can only go on what people have actually done (otherwise its still theory) and I am not a physicist nor claim to be would really rather go back to when NESing was about the countries and not what tech they could make.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Ah yes, countries and nations. Everyone is still slugging it by ethnic lines instead of ideologies, something I find a little dry personally especially in post-apocalyptic scenarios but that is irrelevant. If you are going to base a NES around diplomacy and war, then technology is a critical part. Even if you are running with WW2 tech. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_World_War_II] Does anyone here even remember when stalin006 in one of das's old NES pulled out secret nukes and bombed everyone to victory? Or that NES where we had armored zeppelins and other shenanigans? Good times. Maybe I'm just old and slightly ******ed in the mouth as Doug would say.
Ah I see we simply view NESes very differently. You view it as a world domination game, whereas I view it as playing a nation with its own goals. So whereas I simply play to have fun you play to game the system as much as possible.
By the way the offer may have been accepted if you played a government the rest of the world could understand and accept. And not been so shady right off the bat.
By the way the offer may have been accepted if you played a government the rest of the world could understand and accept. And not been so shady right off the bat.
