This assumes all DLC and expansions are being used.
I wanted to ask some things about Venice and get some opinions about them, and have a general discussion.
1) The first couple of times I played them, I rushed optics and used their MoV to buy the nearest city-state ASAP. Now I'm thinking that's not the best idea, because when you a buy a CS too early, it has often not improved its own luxuries yet, and might not even have a worker.
Because of this, I thought it might be better to wait before buying your first CS. However, I feel like rushing the Great Lighthouse is an advisable thing to do with them. So I thought maybe it would be a good idea to use your first MoV instead on a CS ally. If you got a CS ally early on, you could get a fantastic boost to your culture and/or faith. In fact, since the MoV gives 60 influence instead of 30, you could use the trade mission gold to buy another CS and you would have two CS friends.
What do you guys think of this idea?
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2) Also what social policies do you think are best to adopt with Venice? The problem is that I think there are a lot of trees you would want to adopt with them, namely Patronage, Commerce and Rationalism. Patronage and Commerce are pretty obvious, and Rationalism would help them overcome the science penalty for puppets. However, you would need to get a lot of culture from this. This is why I think it might be good to use their MoV for a culture CS ally early on.
But that brings me to another question - how much culture do CS's give you per era? If you got an early culture CS ally (or friend), would it even give you that much culture to make a noticeable difference?
So in all, with Venice you would want at least 3 policy trees (Patronage, Commerce and Rationalism) IMO, and probably one of the starting trees too (Tradition or Liberty). So I'm trying to figure out the best way to do all that.
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3) With Venice, do you think it's best to go Tradition first, Liberty, or to completely skip these two altogether and go for Patronage or something?
I'm asking this because I don't know if puppet cities benefit from all the Tradition/Liberty bonuses. For example, do puppets gain free Aqueducts and Monuments from adopting Tradition? And do they get the +1 hammer from that Liberty policy? What about the +1 happiness per city connection with capital (Liberty policy)?
I've read a couple guides and people seem to recommend Tradition. There seems to be a fairly strong consensus that Tradition is better than Liberty in general. However with Venice you have the ability to gain 2 MoV's with Liberty whereas you can get none with Tradition. With this taken into consideration, is it really best to go Tradition with Venice instead of Liberty?
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Sorry for the long post, but please read what you want and give advice/opinions on what you can.
I wanted to ask some things about Venice and get some opinions about them, and have a general discussion.
1) The first couple of times I played them, I rushed optics and used their MoV to buy the nearest city-state ASAP. Now I'm thinking that's not the best idea, because when you a buy a CS too early, it has often not improved its own luxuries yet, and might not even have a worker.
Because of this, I thought it might be better to wait before buying your first CS. However, I feel like rushing the Great Lighthouse is an advisable thing to do with them. So I thought maybe it would be a good idea to use your first MoV instead on a CS ally. If you got a CS ally early on, you could get a fantastic boost to your culture and/or faith. In fact, since the MoV gives 60 influence instead of 30, you could use the trade mission gold to buy another CS and you would have two CS friends.
What do you guys think of this idea?
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2) Also what social policies do you think are best to adopt with Venice? The problem is that I think there are a lot of trees you would want to adopt with them, namely Patronage, Commerce and Rationalism. Patronage and Commerce are pretty obvious, and Rationalism would help them overcome the science penalty for puppets. However, you would need to get a lot of culture from this. This is why I think it might be good to use their MoV for a culture CS ally early on.
But that brings me to another question - how much culture do CS's give you per era? If you got an early culture CS ally (or friend), would it even give you that much culture to make a noticeable difference?
So in all, with Venice you would want at least 3 policy trees (Patronage, Commerce and Rationalism) IMO, and probably one of the starting trees too (Tradition or Liberty). So I'm trying to figure out the best way to do all that.
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3) With Venice, do you think it's best to go Tradition first, Liberty, or to completely skip these two altogether and go for Patronage or something?
I'm asking this because I don't know if puppet cities benefit from all the Tradition/Liberty bonuses. For example, do puppets gain free Aqueducts and Monuments from adopting Tradition? And do they get the +1 hammer from that Liberty policy? What about the +1 happiness per city connection with capital (Liberty policy)?
I've read a couple guides and people seem to recommend Tradition. There seems to be a fairly strong consensus that Tradition is better than Liberty in general. However with Venice you have the ability to gain 2 MoV's with Liberty whereas you can get none with Tradition. With this taken into consideration, is it really best to go Tradition with Venice instead of Liberty?
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Sorry for the long post, but please read what you want and give advice/opinions on what you can.