Rhye's and Fall of India

[GnomeChomsky]

It is my pleasure to announce that I am taking on a mod project first proposed here by Baron03. I do have considerable modding experience, and I think I can manage it. Naturally, any help, especially suggestions, ideas, and testing is very helpful from you guys.

I will be building my mod off of SoI, due to the many excellent features of that mod that I would like to use, and because of embryodead's Technical Documentation.

I will start with the map, whose geography, if not resources, I want to finish by tomorrow. Baron03's map is excellent, but rather than many things in SoI to adjust to his map size, I am cutting off four tiles from the width and 10 from the height.

The timespan I am looking at is 322 BC to 1857 AD, the date of the Indian Rebellion of 1857.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

Civ List

Spoiler :

Ancient (up to about AD600)
Mauryan (northern India, ie Empire of Asoka) (322 BC - 185 BC)
Ancient Cholas (322 BC - 250 AD)
Ancient Pandyans (322 BC - 250 AD)
Ancient Cheras (322 BC - 250 AD)
Satavahana (central India) (230 BC - 220 AD)
Scythian (northwestern India) (200 BC - 400 AD)
Greek (far northwest, present-day Afghanistan and northern Pakistan) (180 BC - 10 AD)
Kushan (northwestern India, present-day Pakistan and Afghanistan) (30 AD - 375 AD)
Kalabhras (250 AD - 600 AD)
Sindh (Rai Dynasty: 489-690, Chachas 632-671)

Classical (up to about AD1000)
Gupta (northern India, roughly replacing Mauryans and its successor states)
Pallava (southern India)
Pandya (southern India)
Chalukya (west-central India)
Chola (southern India)
Pratihara (western and northern India)
Hoysala (south central India)

"Medieval" (up to about 1600)
Yadava (west-central India)
Sena (northeastern India)
Ganga (present-day Orissa)
Delhi (northern India, Sultanate)
Vijayanagar (southern India) + successor states
Bahmani (central India, Sultanate) + successor states
Rajput (western and central India)
Calicut (major trading center, present-day Kerala)
Mughal Empire

Mughal Successor States
Maratha
Hyderabad
Mysore
Travancore
Durrani (Afghanistan)
Sikh Empire

Nepal
Kingdom of Nepal (176

European Colonials
Estado da India (Portuguese)
East India Company (British)
Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)

Sri Lanka
Various dynasties (could probably be represented as one civ)

Basic Civ Info

Spoiler :

Magadha/ Mauryan Empire- 350 CE

LH: Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka
UU: Yuddha Gaja (War Elephant)
UB: Pillar of Ashoka (Monument OR courthouse)
UP: Edicts of Ashoka- 30% less maintenance due distance from palace
UHV's:
1. Build 2 Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu temples and monastaries (12 in all)
2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Mauryan empire at its height] by 265 BCE
3. Spread buddhism to 30%

Pandya Dynasty- 350 CE

Chola Dynasty- 300 BCE

Satavahana Dynasty- 230 BCE

Greek (Indo-Greeks+Greco-Bactrians)- 180 BCE

Indo-Scythians- 100 BCE

Kushan Empire- 30 CE

LH: Kanishka
UU: Yuezhi Cavalry (Horse Archer)
UB: Gandhara School (Library)
UP: ???
UHV's:
1. Build 7 Buddhist monasteries and Gandhara schools by ???
2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Kushan empire at its height] by 151 BCE
3. ???

Pallava- 310 CE

Gupta Empire- 320 CE

Chalukya Dynasty- 543 CE

Pratihara Empire- 650 CE

Rashtrakuta Dynasty- 753 CE

Yadava Dynasty- 850 CE

Western Chalukya (respawn of Chalukyas conditional on Rashtrakuta Stability)- 973 CE

Hoysala Dynasty- 1026 CE

Sena Dynasty- 1070 CE

Ganga Dynasty- 1078 CE

Sultanate of Delhi- 1206 CE

Vijayanagara Empire- 1336 CE

Bahmani Sultanate- 1347 CE

Mughal Empire- 1526 CE

Maratha Empire- 1674 CE

Kingdom of Mysore- 1720 CE

Hyderabad State- 1724 CE

Travancore- 1729 CE

Durrani Empire- 1747 CE

Kingdom of Nepal- 1768 CE

Sikh Empire- 1799 CE

Estado da India (Portuguese)
East India Company (British)
Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)

Religions

Spoiler :

Name Holy City Areas Temple Monastery Cathedral Shrine
Vaishnavism Dwarka All over Mandir Ashram Mahamandir Dwarkadheesh
Shaivism Varanasi All over, but especially in Kashmir and Karnataka Mandir Ashram Mahamandir Kashi Vishwanath
Buddhism Gaya All over until muslim conquests begin Temple (?) Vihara Stupa Mahabodhi
Jainism [Not sure] All over until muslim conquests begin
Sunni [Not sure] Northwest, Kerala, Bengal with arrival of Islam
Christianity None Kerala, Assam with arrival of Christianity

 

[GnomeChomsky]

Difficulty levels:

Raja
Maharaja
Chhatrapati

City Naming:

Hindu:

Spoiler :

On Normal Speed:

657 Turns:
3.5YPT for 350 years (100 Turns/350BCE-0CE)
6 YPT for 600 years (100 Turns/0CE-600CE)
5 YPT for 500 years (100 Turns/600CE-1100CE)
4 YPT for 400 years (100 Turns/1100CE-1500CE)
2 YPT for 200 years (100 Turns/1500CE-1700CE)
1 YPT for 157 years (157 Turns/1700CE-1857CE)

On Marathon Speed:

1314 Turns:
1.75YPT for 350 years (200 Turns/350BCE-0CE)
3 YPT for 600 years (200 Turns/0CE-600CE)
2.5 YPT for 500 years (200 Turns/600CE-1100CE)
2 YPT for 400 years (200 Turns/1100CE-1500CE)
1 YPT for 200 years (200 Turns/1500CE-1700CE)
.5 YPT for 157 years (314 Turns/1700CE-1857CE)

Also I set up subversion. Link is http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/rfc-india/

Credits

Thanks to:

taillesskangaru for his help with selecting a proper map scope and civilization list
fenceman for his Classical Religion Mod for Jainism and Sikihism

 

[srpt]

really happy to see someone take this up. looking forward to playing it and I'll help in any way I can.

p.s. can you post the map? curious to see it.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

I'm working on it now. I decided to start from scratch, marking out provinces and such along the way.

However this is the area in question:

 

[Leoreth]

I take Kush means the Kushan Empire? I've never seen it referred to that way, since Kush usually means the Kingdom of Kush in Upper Egypt.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

I take Kush means the Kushan Empire? I've never seen it referred to that way, since Kush usually means the Kingdom of Kush in Upper Egypt.

Yes it does. You're right, I'll change that.

Anyways, here is the map. I didn't do it totally from scratch. I took Baron03's map and cut off 10 tiles from the top and four from the right to adjust to SoI dimensions. I still have to add resources and such, but I'll probably do that later. A screenshot:

Spoiler :

Now on to editing the XML, the most tedious part of all of this. I need to add a bunch of civs. Any suggestions on which civs?

Right now I was thinking:

(Those with question marks indicate that I am not sure whether they should be reprsented as full civs or minor civs OR as minor civs or as Indies)

Greece (?)
Persia (?)
Magadha/ Maurya
Chera
Chola
Pallava
Pandya
Anuradhapura
Satavahana
Indo Scythians
Pyu City-States (?)
Kushan Empire (?)
Gupta
Kamarupa
Chalukya (+Western Chalukya respawn)
Tibet
Gurjara-Pratihara
Pala
Rashtrakuta
Samanids (from SOI)
Pagan
Yadava (Trouble finding UU)
Solanki (Gujarat civ)
Hoysala
Kakatiya
Sindh
East Ganga
Delhi
Hanthawaddy
Vijayanagara
Bahmani
Mughals
Portugal (M)
Britain (M)
Dutch (M)

 

[srpt]

I think you should put back the 10 tiles at the top, or at least some. the map doesn't have to be the same dimensions as SoI.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

It makes life a lot, lot easier for me.

Anyways I talked to the folks over on the World History subforum in OT. As per taillesskangaru's suggestion, I am going to probably redo the map to this scope:

Spoiler :

 

[Linkman226]

This looks promising, following closely.

 

[Leoreth]

Map looks good! I would've preferred less Persia and Malaysia/Sumatra instead (hey, you have the Cholas after all!), but I guess you had to work with what you've been given.

 

[Baron03]

Definitely looking forward to this mod.
Personally I agree with Leoreth, Less West more East. But do what you need to do

 

[BenZL43]

Subscribed!

 

[Linkman226]

Map looks good! I would've preferred less Persia and Malaysia/Sumatra instead (hey, you have the Cholas after all!), but I guess you had to work with what you've been given.

Aren't the reports of Cholas subjugating the Malayan Archipelago incredibly spurious?

 

[GnomeChomsky]

Map looks good! I would've preferred less Persia and Malaysia/Sumatra instead (hey, you have the Cholas after all!), but I guess you had to work with what you've been given.

Not really- I am redoing the map now anyways, because I found that one unsatisfactory. However taillesskangaru had dissuaded me from including Burma because he said that region was more involved with politics to its east rather than to its west, so I got it off before Burma.

Anyways I definitely want to include a good portion of Afghanistan in the map. However I can nonetheless pull the bottom right corner downwards to include Malaysia and Sumatra if you think that's advisable. That would decrease the scale, of course, if I want to keep these dimensions, but that's OK. India's so big right now that if I made one of the the Mauryan UHV's to reach its greatest historical size, it might actually qualify for a domination victory first.

You guys let me know any recommendations you have for the map; as I said, I am reworking the whole thing so now would be the time to tell me.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

I have finished a rough draft of the calendar. On Normal Speed:

5 YPT for 325 years
4.5 YPT for 315 years
4 YPT for 760 years
3.5 YPT for 525 years
2.5 YPT for 125 years
3.5 YPT for 105 years
1.5 YPT for 45 years
.5 YPT for 15 turns

Kind ugly. Might fix it up later.

Also I set up subversion. Link is http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/rfc-india/

 

[srpt]

one thing about the early part of the calendar: you've only given the Mauryans 32 turns from the start of the mod til their collapse around 190BC. I had the same problem but with other civs as well and I ended up slowing down the calendar for the first 300 years or so and then speeding it up later when the goals were not so tight.

 

[Leoreth]

Anyways I definitely want to include a good portion of Afghanistan in the map. However I can nonetheless pull the bottom right corner downwards to include Malaysia and Sumatra if you think that's advisable. That would decrease the scale, of course, if I want to keep these dimensions, but that's OK. India's so big right now that if I made one of the the Mauryan UHV's to reach its greatest historical size, it might actually qualify for a domination victory first.

I think the current scale is good, if anything, add more tiles.

Adding Malaysia and Sumatra is up to you in the end, though, because you literally have to live with this decision for the rest of the time you work on this mod. I just thought that it would give civs like the Cholas some conquest objectives outside of India which is always good for variety. Other civs could be tasked to spread Buddhism/Hinduism there etc.

 

[GnomeChomsky]

one thing about the early part of the calendar: you've only given the Mauryans 32 turns from the start of the mod til their collapse around 190BC. I had the same problem but with other civs as well and I ended up slowing down the calendar for the first 300 years or so and then speeding it up later when the goals were not so tight.

You're right. I'll adjust accordingly.

Anyways, I got a fairly good list of what civs to include. Total is 35-37 civs:

Spoiler :

Magadha/ Mauryan Empire- 350 CE

LH: Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka
UU: Yuddha Gaja (War Elephant)
UB: Pillar of Ashoka (Monument OR courthouse)
UP: Edicts of Ashoka- 30% less maintenance due distance from palace
UHV's:
1. Build 2 Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu temples and monastaries (12 in all)
2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Mauryan empire at its height] by 265 BCE
3. Spread buddhism to 30%

Pandya Dynasty- 350 CE

Chola Dynasty- 300 BCE

Satavahana Dynasty- 230 BCE

Greek (Indo-Greeks+Greco-Bactrians)- 180 BCE

Indo-Scythians- 100 BCE

Kushan Empire- 30 CE

LH: Kanishka
UU: Yuezhi Cavalry (Horse Archer)
UB: Gandhara School (Library)
UP: ???
UHV's:
1. Build 7 Buddhist monasteries and Gandhara schools by ???
2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Kushan empire at its height] by 151 BCE
3. ???

Pallava- 310 CE

Gupta Empire- 320 CE

Chalukya Dynasty- 543 CE

Pratihara Empire- 650 CE

Rashtrakuta Dynasty- 753 CE

Yadava Dynasty- 850 CE

Western Chalukya (respawn of Chalukyas conditional on Rashtrakuta Stability)- 973 CE

Hoysala Dynasty- 1026 CE

Sena Dynasty- 1070 CE

Ganga Dynasty- 1078 CE

Sultanate of Delhi- 1206 CE

Vijayanagara Empire- 1336 CE

Bahmani Sultanate- 1347 CE

Mughal Empire- 1526 CE

Maratha Empire- 1674 CE

Kingdom of Mysore- 1720 CE

Hyderabad State- 1724 CE

Travancore- 1729 CE

Durrani Empire- 1747 CE

Kingdom of Nepal- 1768 CE

Sikh Empire- 1799 CE

Estado da India (Portuguese)
East India Company (British)
Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)

And 2-4 Indies and a barb

 

[Leoreth]

Aren't the reports of Cholas subjugating the Malayan Archipelago incredibly spurious?

Yes! (totally overlooked your comment).

But wouldn't it be fun to do it anyway?

(I mean, these claims are not entirely fabricated, since it's fairly certain that the Cholas traded extensively with the Malay region, and used force to gain favourable conditions).