Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
Why that was precisely what I was saying.
Wow. I wonder if I need to add the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] on that as well?
you could try [polite][/polite] sometime.
Why that was precisely what I was saying.
Wow. I wonder if I need to add the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] on that as well?
It's also (slightly) bigger than Puerto Rico, but yeah...Peter Hormel said:Pima County is bigger than most of the New England states and has more people than Alaska, Montana or the Dakotas.
Based on these responses it appears that you are in favor of a theocracy, at least to some extent. You just apparently don't think it should be enforced on the national level, instead of at the state one. This may come as a surprise to you, but many fundamentalists completely reject the notion of separation of church and state. They even claim it doesn't even exist since it isn't specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
And you apparently differ quite a bit in regards to authoritarian tendencies from the typical person who shares the same ultraconservative views.
So I would claim that you don't really represent the typical fundie authoritarian reactionary. That many of them would not be opposed to continuing to bring "Christian law" to much of the US while making the country far more authoritarian than it now is.
No, the Ten Commandments should be displayed on any public property unless it is part of a historical secular display because it is illegal to do so, not because there are 3 people in the general vicinity who might be offended by it.
There is a whole thread about it which is quite popular if it escaped your notice.
It seems to be quite prevalent in Arizona and elsewhere.
I certainly don't think a less authoritative government is one of them unless you are referring to those who think they can equate Obama's presidency with fascism. Then, I think they are just being hypocritical given their own desires in that direction.
But MobBoss, you do agree with me that it should be the Protestant version and not the Catholic version that the government supports, right?
you could try [polite][/polite] sometime.
That's not the point. It doesn't matter how widely accepted a given religion is. It is now unconstitutional to have a non-historical religious display on public property, and for good reason. This is supposed to be a secular country like any other modern civilized one.That also said, its not just Christians who accept them.
Indeed.That said, I am not surprised a bit by certain people. There are a lot of people who don't give a crap about the Constitution.
This forum is chock full of threads which shows that is actually not the case. This is just yet another example of how prevalent authoritarianism really is tied to the reactionaries. You can't really think that many of them support your own views when almost all of them totally despise Ron Paul, or any other staunch conservative who isn't as authoritarian as them.Not as much as you'd like to think
Yeah, right. Bigotry, racism, xenophobia, nativism, and support of authoritarian regimes worldwide is definitely getting to be more PC by couching much of it in code words and phrases, but I would hardly call that "nuanced". It is just being driven underground by the new "moral majority" which is quite secular for a welcome change.Most Republicans are as sick of Bush's Big Government Anti-Terror policies as everyone, and most people in general clearly are. With other issues, such as gay marriage, allowing marijuanna, exc. it is much more nuanced.
That's not the point. It doesn't matter how widely accepted a given religion is. It is now unconstitutional to have a non-historical religious display on public property, and for good reason. This is supposed to be a secular country like any other modern civilized one.
This forum is chock full of threads which shows that is actually not the case. This is just yet another example of how prevalent authoritarianism really is tied to the reactionaries. You can't really think that many of them support your own views when almost all of them totally despise Ron Paul, or any other staunch conservative who isn't as authoritarian as them.
Yeah, right. Bigotry, racism, xenophobia, nativism, and support of authoritarian regimes worldwide is definitely getting to be more PC by couching much of it in code words and phrases, but I would hardly call that "nuanced". It is just being driven underground by the new "moral majority" which is quite secular for a welcome change.
Remove the first 4 then.I think in this case this is total nonsense. As I said, the Ten Commandments aren't even just Christian, they are also supported by Jews and Muslims. And even other people can see the wisdom in the latter six commandments. We are allowing a nearly nonexistent minority to make the rules now.
Remove the first 4 then.
It doesn't matter if the religious are the majority. In a secular nation, the government is not to be influenced by religion. The 10 commandments and any other religious texts/paraphernalia have no place on government property. Get over it. If you don't like it you can move to the UK or Israel.
you could try [polite][/polite] sometime.
Bucky said:But MobBoss, you do agree with me that it should be the Protestant version and not the Catholic version that the government supports, right?
Not sure I get the reference?
You mean support as a state religion?
1. There's two different versions of the "Ten C"s. One of them is propounded by the Catholic Church and is to be found in the Bibles that the Catholic Church publishes. The other, which is found in the Protestant translations of the Bible, has a different list of commandments.
2. I only mean support in the sense that the government would be deciding which of the two versions of the Ten Commandments it displays in public. I don't advocate state religion. I just want to know which group you want to have the government telling them that they got God's commandments wrong. It's not a trick question
When I have an issue like that, I generally grab a concordance, like Strong's and look it up the translation from the orignal hebrew/greek.
Without going to 'atheist.com' are the two versions really honestly that different?
The Ten Commandments
1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “ Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
1 Then God spoke all these words. He said,
2 'I am Yahweh your God who brought you out of Egypt, where you lived as slaves.
3 'You shall have no other gods to rival me.
4 'You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth.
5 'You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God and I punish a parent's fault in the children, the grandchildren, and the great-grandchildren among those who hate me;
6 but I act with faithful love towards thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 'You shall not misuse the name of Yahweh your God, for Yahweh will not leave unpunished anyone who misuses his name.
8 'Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath for Yahweh your God. You shall do no work that day, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your servants, men or women, nor your animals nor the alien living with you.
11 For in six days Yahweh made the heavens, earth and sea and all that these contain, but on the seventh day he rested; that is why Yahweh has blessed the Sabbath day and made it sacred.
12 'Honour your father and your mother so that you may live long in the land that Yahweh your God is giving you.
13 'You shall not kill.
14 'You shall not commit adultery.
15 'You shall not steal.
16 'You shall not give false evidence against your neighbour.
17 'You shall not set your heart on your neighbour's house. You shall not set your heart on your neighbour's spouse, or servant, man or woman, or ox, or donkey, or any of your neighbour's possessions.'
I see you have pointed out the splinter in my eye.....now how are you going to deal with the plank in yours?
I think in this case this is total nonsense. As I said, the Ten Commandments aren't even just Christian, they are also supported by Jews and Muslims. And even other people can see the wisdom in the latter six commandments. We are allowing a nearly nonexistent minority to make the rules now.
I generally use the New King James Version:
Doing an online search for a Catholic Bible, I got this one from www.catholic.org and it states Exodus 20 as:
The first example is from the New King James version which is in wide use among Protestants all across the world. The 2nd example is the New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) which is a Catholic translation of the Bible published in 1985. The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) has become the most widely used Roman Catholic Bible outside of the United States.
If you examine the two versions you will see they are almost identical with very little real differences. My point being, you cant just take a single internet reference from a possibly biased site trying to allude 'Catholic vs Protestant' variation. You need to dig deeper to get at the truth - and the truth here is there is really very little variation to be had on this particular issue between so-called versions of the bible. Further, if you are really worried about a certain translation of a bible possibly taking liberty in its translation, then go get a concordance and look up the verse in the original hebrew or greek and read it for yourself.
But splinters are smaller than planks.I see you have pointed out the splinter in my eye.....now how are you going to deal with the plank in yours?