SGOTM 12 - One Short Straw

[bcool]

couldn't resist since gandhi's research was so close. Only took 1 turn from Mao, he is researching compass 9 turns left. on T159

edit: good thing I did with 50% discout I don't have enough to steal philosophy.

 

[LowtherCastle]

London has ToA which give s free priest spec. If the change was 200/50=40h/26h~=1.5, which makes sense because he's in OrgRel. So it's probalby 1.5 factor. 40h/1.5=27h, so maybe he's running an engineer instead of one of the coastal tiles.

Yup, could be a world or national wonder.

 

[LowtherCastle]

edit: good thing I did with 50% discout I don't have enough to steal philosophy.

Hmm... that's weird, I don't see how it could have changed that fast in 3t...

 

[bcool]

T160 Churchill learned MC and Rosey learned Guilds

was it wrong or right to steal philosophy? Now we know from our moral philosophy classes!
cost 505 espionage

 

[LowtherCastle]

Well, for the time being. We'll see what happens.

 

[bcool]

Churchill has 140 gold and we are depleted, Theocracy for 140 gold?

 

[LowtherCastle]

sure, why not

 

[mdy]

I agree with trading him theology.

 

[bcool]

bad news T162 Mao wants engineering for 35 gold (declined) but that means he is close to castles...

 

[bcool]

I'm uploading at the beginning of T164 and my turn is over. Let the debates begin.

Highlights...

MoM finished last turn 1030 AD T163 (build finished btwn that and this turn)
Moai finished in Bermuda But no failure gold!!!
We have a bit of failure gold waiting with Parthenon but that might be decaying...
Great Scientist born for us

T164 Mao just finished engineering

T163 Mao revolted to Bureacracy
We lost a spy T160 in Mao's lands (he was almost safe ) They got him trying to sneak out through the fallout...
He has a 3 CG 1D longbow in Guanghou at least he did T158
along with 7 other longbows and a catapult. Not sure what he has now.

Rosey built the Chichen Itza

Rosey and Gandhi are in Theocracy and in war prep for awhile no wars declared

London is building some wonder not (MoM)
Chengdu (Mao) might be building a wonder too (1236 sabotage)

I slightly screwed up our research
I researched half of Chemistry
none of PP
And only put what research we produced at 0% into Liberalism (we got a bit of failure gold from MoM so we have 1 100% turn we can do for Liberalism this turn)

Pop is up to 91

Gems mine near Rheims got destroyed by infiltrators
Granary in Orleans got destroyed by spies
(and I missed that Orleans was only 3 pop in real game, so pikeman came from Rheims)

edit: I shaved a turn of the Treb getting to Orleans DoW T166 I think now.

 

[bcool]

logs

Spoiler :

Turn 157, 940 AD: You have trained a Trebuchet in GP Farm. Work has now begun on a Spy.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Roosevelt adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 157, 940 AD: Roosevelt adopts Theocracy!
Turn 157, 940 AD: Qin Wuyang (Great Spy) has been born in Beijing (Mao Zedong)!

Turn 158, 960 AD: Confucianism has spread in Kamchatka.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Roosevelt has completed Chichen Itza!

Turn 159, 980 AD: You have discovered Gunpowder!
Turn 159, 980 AD: You have trained a Trebuchet in Rheims. Work has now begun on a Forge.

Turn 160, 1000 AD: You have discovered Philosophy!
Turn 160, 1000 AD: Confucianism has spread in Cuba.
Turn 160, 1000 AD: Alhazen (Great Scientist) has been born in Pigs (Catherine)!
Turn 160, 1000 AD: The borders of Cuba have expanded!
Turn 160, 1000 AD: St. John (Great Prophet) has been born in London (Churchill)!

Turn 161, 1010 AD: Confucianism has spread in Bermuda.
Turn 161, 1010 AD: You have trained Confucian Missionary in Siberia. Work has now begun on Mausoleum of Maussollos.
Turn 161, 1010 AD: The borders of Rheims have expanded!
Turn 161, 1010 AD: You have trained a Pikeman in Rheims. Work has now begun on a Forge.
Turn 161, 1010 AD: Churchill has completed The Temple of Solomon!
Turn 161, 1010 AD: Churchill adopts Theocracy!

Turn 162, 1020 AD: Fish has grown to size 6.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Fish can hurry Musketman for 3? with 33? overflow and +1? for 66 turns.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Pigs has grown to size 8.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Pigs can hurry Market for 3? with 6? overflow and +1? for 59 turns.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: GP Farm has grown to size 9.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Bananas can hurry Courthouse for 3? with 10? overflow and +1? for 10 turns.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Roosevelt has 120 gold available for trade.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ? for Siberia.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 13 ? for Siberia.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 24 ? for Siberia.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Siberia will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: GP Farm will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Bermuda will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Rheims will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Bananas will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Paris will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 162, 1020 AD: De Gaulle adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 162, 1020 AD: Mao Zedong adopts Bureaucracy!

Turn 163, 1030 AD: Siberia has grown to size 7.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Siberia can hurry Mausoleum of Maussollos for 1? with 14? overflow and +1? for 65 turns.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: GP Farm has grown to size 10.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Cuba can hurry Library for 2? with 24? overflow and +1? for 31 turns.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Bermuda has grown to size 8.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Bermuda can hurry Moai Statues for 3? with 12? overflow and +1? for 27 turns.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Rheims has grown to size 3.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Paris has grown to size 3.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Paris can hurry Galley for 1? with 9? overflow and +1? for 41 turns.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: The borders of Orleans are about to expand.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ? for Bermuda.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Fish will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Pigs will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: GP Farm will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Cuba will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Paris will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Kamchatka will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 163, 1030 AD: Catherine has completed Mausoleum of Maussollos!
Turn 163, 1030 AD: GP Farm can no longer work on Mausoleum of Maussollos. The lost ? is converted into 67?!
Turn 163, 1030 AD: The borders of Orleans have expanded!

Turn 164, 1040 AD: Fish has grown to size 7.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Pigs has grown to size 9.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: GP Farm has grown to size 11.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Cuba has grown to size 6.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Bahamas can hurry Archer for 1? with 20? overflow, 2? added to the treasury, and +1? for 50 turns.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Paris has grown to size 4.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Kamchatka has grown to size 4.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Kamchatka can hurry Granary for 2? with 28? overflow and +1? for 13 turns.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Churchill has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 164, 1040 AD: Gandhi will trade Drama

Spoiler :

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Turn 156 (920 AD) [25-Nov-2010 05:13:09]
Pigs begins: Lighthouse (60 turns)
GP Farm begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (225 turns)
Fish begins: Catapult (5 turns)

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Turn 156 (920 AD) [25-Nov-2010 19:38:49]
Fish begins: Trebuchet (12 turns)

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Turn 156 (920 AD) [25-Nov-2010 19:54:07]
GP Farm begins: Maceman (70 turns)
GP Farm begins: Trebuchet (80 turns)
Pigs begins: Trebuchet (80 turns)

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Turn 156 (920 AD) [26-Nov-2010 12:32:15]
A Fort was built near Paris
Fish begins: Trebuchet (12 turns)
Pigs begins: Lighthouse (60 turns)
GP Farm begins: Trebuchet (80 turns)
Bahamas begins: Archer (4 turns)
Rheims begins: Trebuchet (27 turns)
Catherine (Russia) and De Gaulle (France) have signed a peace treaty
100% Research: 450 per turn
0% Espionage: 30 per turn
0% Gold: -162 per turn, 640 in the bank

After End Turn:
Siberia finishes: Spy
Pigs grows to size 7
Cuba grows to size 5
Rheims grows to size 4
Paris finishes: Trireme

Other Player Actions:
A Mine was destroyed near Marseilles

Turn 157 (940 AD) [26-Nov-2010 12:46:27]
A Fort was built near Paris
Siberia begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (73 turns)
Paris begins: Galley (50 turns)
A Farm was built near Bananas
Tech traded to Stalin the Despicable (Old Russia): Code of Laws
100% Research: 441 per turn
0% Espionage: 26 per turn
0% Gold: -157 per turn, 518 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Fish
The whip was applied in GP Farm
The whip was applied in Kamchatka
Moscow finishes: Heroic Epic
Fish grows to size 5
Fish finishes: Trebuchet
Siberia grows to size 6
GP Farm grows to size 6
GP Farm finishes: Trebuchet
Cuba grows to size 6
Bahamas grows to size 6
Bermuda grows to size 8
Bananas grows to size 5
Paris grows to size 3
Kamchatka grows to size 2
Kamchatka finishes: Work Boat

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: De Gaulle (France) towards Stalin the Despicable (Old Russia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Organized Religion' to 'Theocracy'

Turn 158 (960 AD) [26-Nov-2010 13:07:36]
Kamchatka begins: Granary (60 turns)
Confucianism has spread: Kamchatka
A Fishing Boats was built near Kamchatka
A Farm was built near Siberia
Siberia begins: Spy (8 turns)
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Fish begins: Maceman (10 turns)
GP Farm begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (38 turns)
A Mine was built near Marseilles
A Mine was built near Bermuda
Siberia begins: Confucian Missionary (20 turns)
A Mine was built near GP Farm
A Farm was built near Bananas
100% Research: 459 per turn
0% Espionage: 30 per turn
0% Gold: -172 per turn, 361 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Fish
Whip anger has decreased in Siberia
The whip was applied in Paris
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Fish grows to size 6
Siberia grows to size 7
GP Farm grows to size 7
Bahamas finishes: Archer
Bermuda grows to size 9
Rheims grows to size 5
Bananas grows to size 6
Paris grows to size 3
Paris finishes: Galley

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Churchill (England) towards Mao Zedong (China), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Roosevelt (America) towards Catherine (Russia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Gandhi (India) towards Mao Zedong (China), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Stalin the Despicable (Old Russia) towards Gandhi (India), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 159 (980 AD) [26-Nov-2010 13:43:23]
Diplomacy: Gandhi (India) offers to trade Feudalism to Catherine (Russia) for Engineering
Diplomacy: Catherine (Russia) rejects trade of Engineering to Gandhi (India) for Feudalism
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (1 turns)
GP Farm begins: Archer (5 turns)
Siberia begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (56 turns)
Paris begins: Galley (13 turns)
A Farm was built near Bananas
Orleans begins: Pikeman (61 turns)
Bahamas begins: Settler (5 turns)
Bahamas begins: Settler (5 turns)
100% Research: 474 per turn
0% Espionage: 30 per turn
0% Gold: -171 per turn, 189 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Fish
Whip anger has decreased in GP Farm
The whip was applied in Rheims
Tech research finished: Gunpowder
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Fish grows to size 5
Fish finishes: Maceman
Pigs grows to size 8
GP Farm grows to size 8
Cuba grows to size 7
Bahamas grows to size 7
Rheims finishes: Trebuchet

Turn 160 (1000 AD) [26-Nov-2010 14:21:35]
Research begun: Chemistry (5 Turns)
Fish begins: Pikeman (9 turns)
Fish begins: Galley (8 turns)
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (1 turns)
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Philosophy
A Mine was built near Bananas
Rheims begins: Pikeman (20 turns)
Orleans begins: Granary (20 turns)
A Mine was built near Orleans
Confucianism has spread: Cuba
Bahamas begins: Settler (6 turns)
Siberia begins: Confucian Missionary (13 turns)
Siberia begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (39 turns)
0% Research: 84 per turn
0% Espionage: 26 per turn
100% Gold: 50 per turn, 18 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Pigs
Whip anger has decreased in Bermuda
Moscow grows to size 17
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Fish finishes: Galley
Siberia grows to size 8
Pigs finishes: Lighthouse
Alhazen (Great Scientist) born in Pigs
Cuba's borders expand
Bermuda grows to size 10
Rheims grows to size 4
Bananas grows to size 7
Paris grows to size 4
Kamchatka grows to size 3

Turn 161 (1010 AD) [26-Nov-2010 14:54:06]
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
A Fort was built near Fish
A Mine was built near Galley City
A Mine was built near Siberia
Siberia begins: Confucian Missionary (13 turns)
Pigs begins: Archer (25 turns)
Pigs begins: Market (150 turns)
Confucianism has spread: Bermuda
Fish begins: Market (38 turns)
Fish begins: Musketman (27 turns)
Tech traded to Churchill (England): Theology
A Workshop was built near Bahamas
100% Research: 497 per turn
0% Espionage: 26 per turn
0% Gold: -187 per turn, 208 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Siberia
Whip anger has decreased in Pigs
The whip was applied in Cuba
The whip was applied in Bermuda
The whip was applied in Rheims
The whip was applied in Paris
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Fish grows to size 6
Siberia finishes: Confucian Missionary
Pigs grows to size 8
GP Farm grows to size 9
Cuba grows to size 5
Cuba finishes: Courthouse
Bermuda finishes: Courthouse
Rheims's borders expand
Rheims finishes: Pikeman
Paris finishes: Galley

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Churchill(England) from 'Organized Religion' to 'Theocracy'

Turn 162 (1020 AD) [26-Nov-2010 15:22:06]
Diplomacy: Mao Zedong (China) offers to trade Gold (35) to Catherine (Russia) for Engineering
Diplomacy: Catherine (Russia) rejects trade of Engineering to Mao Zedong (China) for Gold (35)
Paris begins: Forge (120 turns)
Paris begins: Galley (50 turns)
A Mine was built near Fish
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Cuba begins: Confucian Missionary (40 turns)
Cuba begins: Library (45 turns)
Bermuda begins: Moai Statues (9 turns)
A Farm was built near GP Farm
0% Research: 116 per turn
0% Espionage: 34 per turn
100% Gold: 47 per turn, 24 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Bananas
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Siberia grows to size 7
GP Farm grows to size 10
Bahamas finishes: Settler
Bermuda grows to size 8
Rheims grows to size 3
Bananas grows to size 5
Bananas finishes: Courthouse
Paris grows to size 3

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: De Gaulle(France) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Mao Zedong(China) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 163 (1030 AD) [26-Nov-2010 15:45:26]
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Bahamas begins: Archer (2 turns)
Bananas begins: Forge (40 turns)
A Farm was built near Siberia
A Farm was built near Bananas
Research begun: Liberalism (15 Turns)
0% Research: 129 per turn
0% Espionage: 40 per turn
100% Gold: 56 per turn, 71 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Rheims
Moscow finishes: Trebuchet
Fish grows to size 7
Siberia finishes: Mausoleum of Maussollos
Pigs grows to size 9
GP Farm grows to size 11
Cuba grows to size 6
Bermuda finishes: Moai Statues
Paris grows to size 4
Kamchatka grows to size 4
Orleans's borders expand

Turn 164 (1040 AD) [26-Nov-2010 16:12:05]
Bermuda begins: Forge (15 turns)
Moscow begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Siberia begins: Confucian Missionary (20 turns)

 

[babybluepants]

Moai finished in Bermuda But no failure gold!!!

Next turn?

 

[Mitchum]

Excellent turn set, bcool. You set us up nicely for the Mao campaign.

Next turn?

I tested this when it first came up and it worked. IIRC, national wonders did seem to give the fail gold the following turn. It could also have to do with where the cities are in F1 list order. I didn't test beyond knowing that we would get our fail gold for national wonders.

 

[Mitchum]

@LC

Rather than razing Lyons, could we instead gift it to Roosevelt as one city in the chain? That is if we go the route of the gift city chain thing.

 

[bcool]

Okay tried to make a test game, Bananas in the test is +13 hammers (makes me think I made a mistake...)

Pigs is off by in the test +2 hammers

Military units are close to right locations, workers maybe close haven't really looked at them.

I'll try to update the units tomorrow morning. But getting the test game close is getting to be a huge chore now.

I thought I took detailed notes (page per turn, notes by each city) but I still only was able to reproduce half of the cities production and MM. Hard to do serious editing with worldbuilder (not sure how to do negative hammers )

 

[mdy]

The more I think about it the more I think an immediate golden age is a good idea. We are currently in a twin race for the liberalism slingshot and the economics GM. An extra 100 beakers now are worth a lot more to us than 200 beakers later. We would also get the benefits of corporations sooner with an earlier golden age.

If we immediately start a golden age and hire 6 specialists in pigs, and 7 in GP farm then we get:

T+4: GP from pigs to bulb printing press.
T+9: GP from GP farm (requires temporairily firing a few specialists in pigs)
T+10: GP from pigs.

The last 2 GP's could be used for bulbing scientific method. If we time things carefully this would allow us to get biology from liberalism on T+11.

Rooservelt is currently pleased with us. We could ask him to gift us 150 gold.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Time to up the ante, guys.

What we really want is to steal Communism before the golden age is over, so we can revolt to SP for free. With some good fortune, I think it's doable.

Requirements:
1. Mao down to 3 cities by T178
2. Moscow-2S1SE settled by T173 w/spy and COnfucianism
3. Cease-fire with Mao on T178
4. We'll have to run 100% espionage for 2-3 turns
5a. Cost: ~1600eps
5b. Cost w/Mao out of Confucianism: ~1300eps

The hardest part is getting Mao down to 3 cities in time. Here we hope for some help from Roosy.

The General Plan, as I see it now:

T164 Our ships sail! (1@pike, 2@5/2XP maces, 2@5/2XP cats, 1@5/2XP treb)
T165 DoW Mao
T166 Paris builds a Buddhist monastery!
T166 Units land between Shanghai and Beijing, our SoD crosses the SE border.
T167 GP Farm is pop13; OSS's golden age begins, revolt to CS+Pac
T168 Capture Shanghai
~T172 Capture Beijing (has Scotland Yard now!!!)
T177 or before Roosy captures Xian
T177 Capture Guangzhou

This would be ideal, forcing Mao out of Confucianism.

 

[LowtherCastle]

bcool, I'd like to congratulate you on a paragon of starting and ending a complicated turnset seamlessly in the middle of a difficult SG.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Moai finished in Bermuda But no failure gold!!!

It could also have to do with where the cities are in F1 list order.

Sharp thinking Mitchum. I tested this and it's correct. So it's not exactly a bug, but it is a bummer, but good to know for the future. We only want to "design" failed gold in cities after the one completing the wonder. Easiest way to do that is to build them in Moscow.

Live and learn!

 

[LowtherCastle]

Rather than razing Lyons, could we instead gift it to Roosevelt as one city in the chain? That is if we go the route of the gift city chain thing.

Yes, if we gifted him, for example, a city we settled at Shanghai-3E. Then we could chain-gift him:

Chengdu-Hangzhou-Shanghai3E-Lyons-SiberiaSSE