SGOTM 20 - Civ Geeks United

[Noble Zarkon]

Green from me

 

[shulec]

Roster:

shulec
zbgayum Up
ngraner42 On deck
NobleZarkon
astre


zbg will play some turns tonight. I suspect his turnset will last 2-5 more days.

ngraner42, do you foresee availability for yourself to play the next turnset?

 

[zbgayumn]

Played to T98. Currency is in.

Here's the save: Link

I was very disappointed that JC and Napoleon are the only ones with any cash to trade (and that was only 1 or 2). However, I did pick up a good deal from JC. I traded him MC for Monarchy + 30 gold.

We won the race to Colossus AND got 163 in failgold. I call that a major success!

In general, units have been coming faster than my city micro planned for. I should be able to get those extra settlers started soon.

My main concern is that Math is still not available. Louis researched it, but he doesn't like us enough to trade and Churchill still thinks he needs to keep it for himself. HBR will be done in 2 more turns. If something doesn't shake loose in those 2 turns, we'll have no choice but to research Math.

CFC Log:

Spoiler :

Turn 92, 575 BC: The borders of Jabba's Palace have expanded!

Turn 93, 550 BC: Geek Central celebrates "We Love the Despot Day"!!!

Turn 94, 525 BC: Geek Central celebrates "We Love the Despot Day"!!!
Turn 94, 525 BC: You have trained a Axeman in Midgar. Work has now begun on a Trireme.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Mehmed has completed The Colossus!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Julius Caesar adopts Hereditary Rule!

Turn 95, 500 BC: Gondor has been founded.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Midgar can no longer work on The Colossus. The lost ℤ is converted into 163ℴ!
Turn 95, 500 BC: You have trained a Trireme in Midgar. Work has now begun on a Galley.

Turn 96, 475 BC: Death Star can hurry Archer for 1⇴ with 20ℤ overflow, 23ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Tatooine can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 24ℤ overflow, 10ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Dagobah can hurry Barracks for 2⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Midgar will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Tatooine will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: Dagobah will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have trained a Work Boat in Midgar. Work has now begun on a Galley.

Turn 97, 450 BC: Geek Central can hurry Archer for 1⇴ with 20ℤ overflow, 16ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Midgar has grown to size 9.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Midgar can hurry Galley for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Tatooine has grown to size 8.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Endor can hurry Spearman for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow, 16ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 10 ℤ for Dagobah.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Death Star will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Dagobah will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Endor will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 97, 450 BC: Alderaan will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 97, 450 BC: You have discovered Currency!

Turn 98, 425 BC: Midgar can hurry Trireme for 1⇴ with 17ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Death Star has grown to size 8.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Tatooine can hurry Lighthouse for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow, 5ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Dagobah has grown to size 7.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Endor has grown to size 7.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Jabba's Palace has grown to size 4.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Alderaan has grown to size 3.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Churchill has 90 gold available for trade.
Turn 98, 425 BC: You have discovered Monarchy!
Turn 98, 425 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 20 ℤ for Endor.

Buffy Log:

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 92/500 (575 BC) [03-Sep-2014 19:23:40]
Research begun: Currency (77 Turns)
A Camp was built near Alderaan
Midgar begins: Axeman (3 turns)
0% Research: 7 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
100% Gold: 29 per turn, 454 in the bank

After End Turn:
Dagobah finishes: Lighthouse
Jabba's Palace's borders expand
Alderaan grows to size 2

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Suleiman (Ottomans) towards Napoleon (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 93/500 (550 BC) [03-Sep-2014 19:35:27]
Dagobah begins: Archer (2 turns)
A Mine was built near Endor
Jabba's Palace begins: Work Boat (8 turns)
100% Research: 107 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -59 per turn, 483 in the bank

After End Turn:
Midgar grows to size 8
Death Star finishes: Settler
Endor grows to size 6
Endor finishes: Barracks

Turn 94/500 (525 BC) [03-Sep-2014 19:43:45]
Death Star begins: Spearman (2 turns)
Endor begins: Chariot (2 turns)
Jabba's Palace begins: Lighthouse (8 turns)
100% Research: 111 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -58 per turn, 424 in the bank

After End Turn:
Midgar finishes: Axeman
Death Star finishes: Spearman
Tatooine finishes: The Colossus
Dagobah grows to size 7
Dagobah finishes: Archer
Endor finishes: Chariot

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Julius Caesar(Rome) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 95/500 (500 BC) [03-Sep-2014 19:53:02]
Death Star begins: Archer (2 turns)
Tatooine begins: Work Boat (2 turns)
Dagobah begins: Barracks (5 turns)
Endor begins: Archer (2 turns)
Samsun founded
Gondor begins: Library (90 turns)
A Cottage was built near Geek Central
100% Research: 126 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -73 per turn, 366 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Tatooine
Geek Central finishes: Forge
Midgar finishes: Trireme
Endor finishes: Archer

Turn 96/500 (475 BC) [03-Sep-2014 20:03:59]
Geek Central begins: Archer (3 turns)
Endor begins: Spearman (2 turns)
Archer 2 (Endor) promoted: City Garrison I
Midgar begins: Work Boat (2 turns)
A Mine was built near Alderaan
100% Research: 123 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -73 per turn, 456 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Dagobah
Midgar grows to size 9
Midgar finishes: Work Boat
Death Star finishes: Archer
Tatooine grows to size 8
Tatooine finishes: Work Boat
Dagobah grows to size 6
Dagobah finishes: Barracks

Turn 97/500 (450 BC) [03-Sep-2014 20:13:26]
Death Star begins: Archer (2 turns)
Tatooine begins: Lighthouse (3 turns)
Dagobah begins: Axeman (5 turns)
Midgar begins: Trireme (4 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near Midgar
A Farm was built near Tatooine
A Camp was built near Alderaan
Archer 3 (Death Star) promoted: City Garrison I
100% Research: 126 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -76 per turn, 383 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Currency
Geek Central finishes: Archer
Death Star grows to size 8
Death Star finishes: Archer
Dagobah grows to size 7
Dagobah finishes: Axeman
Endor grows to size 7
Endor finishes: Spearman
Jabba's Palace grows to size 4
Alderaan grows to size 3

Turn 98/500 (425 BC) [03-Sep-2014 20:23:20]
Diplomacy: Julius Caesar (Rome) offers to trade Monarchy to Mehmed (Ottomans) for Metal Casting
Diplomacy: Mehmed (Ottomans) accepts trade of Metal Casting to Julius Caesar (Rome) for Monarchy
Tech traded to Julius Caesar (Rome): Metal Casting
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Monarchy
Research begun: Horseback Riding (2 Turns)
Geek Central begins: Archer (3 turns)
Death Star begins: Worker (3 turns)
Dagobah begins: Archer (3 turns)
Endor begins: Archer (2 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near Gondor
Archer 5 (Death Star) promoted: City Garrison I
Spearman 1 (Death Star) promoted: Combat I

Screenshots:
(2 more Holy Cities and other general interest)

Spoiler :

 

[zbgayumn]

I had checked with Vicky about buying Poly for cash, but I just realized that we can use Priesthood to cut down the cost. I'll make that trade when I resume.

 

[shulec]

Good work.

You appear to have found two new barb territories.

Take a look at Gondar... you stole rice and copper from Tatooine and Deer from Death Star. Ouch!

NO TRADING MONARCHY! We don't want to speed up Longbows.

We should consider gifting Louis Metal Casting. Then see if he will trade us math and HBR for cash for IW, Currency. He states he won't trade because he doesn't like us enough.

Churchill may be going for the Hanging Gardens. Maybe this is why he won't trade math.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Played to T98. Currency is in.

We won the race to Colossus AND got 163 in failgold. I call that a major success!

So do I - good work!

 

[astre]

seems nice, will look at save and comment tonight (in 12 hours)

 

[zbgayumn]

Take a look at Gondar... you stole rice and copper from Tatooine and Deer from Death Star. Ouch!

Thanks, I'm not sure how I missed that.

I went back in and fixed that this morning. I also made the trade with Vicky: Priesthood + 75 gold for Polytheism. I then sold Meditation to Napoleon for 30 gold to get back some money.

I saw that Vicky had already researched Monotheism, so I went ahead one turn.
She's willing to trade it for 200 gold, which is almost everything we have. Probably we can trade her HBR in one more turn and get a little cash in the deal.

Here's the T99 save.

We should consider gifting Louis Metal Casting. Then see if he will trade us math and HBR for cash for IW, Currency. He states he won't trade because he doesn't like us enough.

This sounds like a good option if it works. We've identified Louis as an ally, but right now he's annoyed with us (-3 relations). A gift that large should get us back to cautious. Getting OB with him would also give our chariots some more territory to explore.

 

[shulec]

We should consider gifting Louis Metal Casting. Then see if he will trade us math and HBR for cash for IW, Currency. He states he won't trade because he doesn't like us enough.

I replicated our game situation and it did not work. "I don't like you enough" turned into "I don't want to trade away this tech just yet".

BTW, Louis has Ivory. He will have elephants once he get construction.

I think we should give Louis MC for his gold stash if he gets up to 75 gold. If someone finishes a wonder, look that turn to see who has fail gold to trade.

FYI, Louis just finished the Pyramids in 425BC.

 

[zbgayumn]

I think we should give Louis MC for his gold stash if he gets up to 75 gold. If someone finishes a wonder, look that turn to see who has fail gold to trade.

Ok, I'll watch for something over 75 gold.

I think we already have the full +4 "fair trade" bonus with Churchill. Should I look for a sweetheart deal with AC to get more diplo points?

FYI, Louis just finished the Pyramids in 425BC.

Hmmm, I don't think we got our failgold yet. I'll double check, but if not, it must show up the next turn. I'll watch for anyone else with a sudden infusion of cash.

 

[astre]

ideas:
- sell priest to sully
- sell IW to louis
ok to buy next turn mono for HBR + all the money she get.

for math trade only MC or HBR

endor death star, dagobah, geek central, finish current then start stable. settler in dagoba must not be started, use 1 turn of gold instead

jabba, library after WB

why did we build gondor here? I could see more interesting cities to built before this site.

for next tech, start COL at 0/turn, we can't finish construction yet anyway.
for the rest: construction for the win!

good progress so far

 

[zbgayumn]

ideas:
- sell priest to sully
- sell IW to louis
ok to buy next turn mono for HBR + all the money she get.

for math trade only MC or HBR

endor death star, dagobah, geek central, finish current then start stable. settler in dagoba must not be started, use 1 turn of gold instead

jabba, library after WB

why did we build gondor here? I could see more interesting cities to built before this site.

for next tech, start COL at 0/turn, we can't finish construction yet anyway.
for the rest: construction for the win!

good progress so far

Trades sound good.

I was thinking Endor, GC, and Death Star could handle the HA's, and then Dagobah could get a stable built in time for Elephants. I suppose I can go with Stable right away. It's not likely anyone else will try to settle the spot W of Dagobah anytime soon.

Gondor will eventually steal the rice from Tatooine and maybe the Deer from DS, and it has two fish of its own. We don't have any other city sites with 4 food resources. The next city, E of Geek Central, could technically have 4, but we can't afford to take the cow away from GC.

It sounds like you want to buy a little more time to work out a trade for math. I was thinking about that myself. I'll see where we end up on money after the trades and how many turns it will take to build up our bank account enough for Construction.

It seems like we're in agreement, so I will probably continue playing tonight. (in 4-5 hours) maybe not, this evening is starting to look a little crowded

 

[shulec]

I think a forge in Dagobah still pays off.

I don't like giving IW to Louis. I'd rather give him something bigger to try to get +4 diplo. I don't want to increase his power and get only 30 gold in return. We may need it as a throw in for a tech trade.

 

[astre]

IW to louis:
he will get IW in very little time. everybody else have it.
I'd rather get something from that than nothing.

forge: it will pay back in a long time, i'd rather a stable but could live with it.

 

[shulec]

Ok. Skip the forge.

 

[zbgayumn]

Well, I'll make a short update. I didn't get to play as far as I wanted because of a computer crash at the end of T100. I notified AlanH and Deckhand, and then I loaded the T100 autosave and replayed my moves. I uploaded the save at that point.

Save

Game isn't paused, so watch out for that if you open it.

I got Mono from Vicky and saw that she already had Theology. I figured I better not waste any time, so I activated the GP and bulbed. However, I checked the GC city screen to see about switching to the AP and it wasn't available. I think it has to do with the attached screenie, but I'm not sure what exactly that means.

Nobody got much failgold from the 'mids. (We got 22) Louis is up to 60 in cash. I was going to wait one more turn and then see about selling him MC at a discount.

CFC Log:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 400 BC to 375 BC:

Turn 99, 400 BC: Churchill has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 99, 400 BC: You are the worst enemy of Suleiman.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Augustus Caesar is the worst enemy of Julius Caesar.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Julius Caesar is the worst enemy of Augustus Caesar.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Louis XIV, Victoria.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Louis XIV is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Victoria is the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Victoria will trade Monotheism
Turn 99, 400 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Victoria
Turn 99, 400 BC: Churchill has 80 gold available for trade.
Turn 99, 400 BC: You are the worst enemy of Suleiman.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Augustus Caesar is the worst enemy of Julius Caesar.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Julius Caesar is the worst enemy of Augustus Caesar.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Louis XIV, Victoria.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Louis XIV is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Victoria is the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Victoria will trade Monotheism
Turn 99, 400 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Victoria
Turn 99, 400 BC: Geek Central will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Midgar will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Dagobah will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Gondor will grow to size 2 on the next turn.
Turn 99, 400 BC: You have discovered Horseback Riding!
Turn 99, 400 BC: You have trained a Trireme in Midgar. Work has now begun on a Galley.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Jabba's Palace can no longer work on The Pyramids. The lost ℤ is converted into 22ℴ!
Turn 99, 400 BC: You have constructed a Lighthouse in Jabba's Palace. Work has now begun on a Work Boat.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Churchill has founded Newcastle in a distant land.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Louis XIV adopts Hereditary Rule!

Turn 100, 375 BC: Louis XIV has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 100, 375 BC: You are the worst enemy of Suleiman.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Augustus Caesar is the worst enemy of Julius Caesar.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Julius Caesar is the worst enemy of Augustus Caesar.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Louis XIV, Victoria.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Louis XIV is the worst enemy of Napoleon.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Victoria is the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 100, 375 BC: The borders of Alderaan are about to expand.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Victoria will trade Monotheism
Turn 100, 375 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Victoria
Turn 100, 375 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 20 ℤ for Alderaan.
Turn 100, 375 BC: You have discovered Monotheism!
Turn 100, 375 BC: Jabba's Palace will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 100, 375 BC: You have discovered Theology!

Buffy Log:

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 99/500 (400 BC) [04-Sep-2014 20:31:46]
Archer 7 (Endor) promoted: City Garrison I
Archer 6 (Dagobah) promoted: City Garrison I
Tech traded to Suleiman (Ottomans): Priesthood
100% Research: 149 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -75 per turn, 243 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Horseback Riding
Geek Central grows to size 10
Geek Central finishes: Archer
Midgar grows to size 10
Midgar finishes: Trireme
Death Star finishes: Worker
Dagobah grows to size 8
Endor finishes: Spy
Jabba's Palace finishes: Lighthouse
Gondor grows to size 2

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Louis XIV (France) towards Julius Caesar (Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Louis XIV(France) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 100/500 (375 BC) [04-Sep-2014 20:39:03]
Research begun: Code of Laws (3 Turns)
Geek Central begins: Stable (5 turns)
Death Star begins: Stable (3 turns)
Endor begins: Stable (3 turns)
Dagobah begins: Stable (9 turns)
Jabba's Palace begins: Library (12 turns)
Archer 8 (Geek Central) promoted: City Garrison I
Tech traded to Victoria (England): Horseback Riding
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Monotheism
Midgar begins: Settler (5 turns)
Archer 4 (Geek Central) promoted: City Garrison I
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Theology

 

[shulec]

It really is best that you stop to consult when a major decision such as using a great person without agreement on how to proceed. Edit: My mistake, I didn't see this in the PPP, so I missed my opportunity to object.

The AP is not available because we are not running a state religion. (And as the screenshot states, we don't have that religion in the city.)

 

[zbgayumn]

It really is best that you stop to consult when a major decision such as using a great person without agreement on how to proceed. Edit: My mistake, I didn't see this in the PPP, so I missed my opportunity to object.

The AP is not available because we are not running a state religion.

Ok, I kind of thought we had reached a decision on how to use him. Thinking back on it, that conversation was mostly between me and Astre, so sorry if we concluded that discussion prematurely.

I guess the good news is that Vicky can't possibly beat us to the AP, since none of the AI have really gone after the barbs yet.

 

[shulec]

No more archers! We have a lot of archers. Some of them need to go to Alderaan. Right now, that is our only actual threat.

Don't promote any units until they need to be promoted. Several archers already have Garrison 1 promotion. Save the promotion in case the extra 20% is not needed and can be used to heal or if a combat promotion is needed to go on the offensive against a unit.

Sell iron to Louis for 60 gold

Pre-mine those forested hills east of death star with 3 turns, so we get quick chop/mine.

 

[Deckhand]

Well, I'll make a short update. I didn't get to play as far as I wanted because of a computer crash at the end of T100. I notified AlanH and Deckhand, and then I loaded the T100 autosave and replayed my moves. I uploaded the save at that point.

Play On.