[BTS] SGOTM 24 Turbo Ants

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

WastinTime said:
I doubt he'd move that fast on Yak, but isn't the real problem the tech gifting? or do we have time to get him up to Biology by 156?

If that's the case, couldn't we reduce the time to talk by gifting him Thracian and Stone. Recapture Thracian for extra war success? Or does only his war success matter?

Yes, Thracian gets it down to 3t, t154, giving us 4t to get Stalin to Medicine. If we revert to the Astro plan, Stalin only needs Paper+Guilds+Optics on t151. I don't think Stalin can bribe Bis against us at Pleased, but Bis should have all those techs too, just in case. Bis will get a negmod when we DoW Stalin, but that should be okay.

I guess it's all okay.

Now, question is, if we DoW t151, Stalin gets the oasis tile, but on t152, DaCanal will take it over, right? Or does Stalin even get it at all, if Darius has all that culture on it? His plot culture doesn't go to zero when we gift the city, does it? This absolutely needs to be tested. I'm on it like a slimy snail on my Menlo Park window pane.
TESTED: DaCanal immediately owns the oasis tile. :banana:

I just hope my test didn't omit some critical factor, but I can't imagine it would. Why would Darius lose his plot culture? At teh very least, no one would own it for a turn or something. DaCanal is the gift that keeps on giving. Except...if it kills one or more of our spies, who can no longer get through that culture safely since its borders expanded. :gripe:

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

Supercool. So we just have to get our spies there safely, succeed in that 80% spy mission, and then succeed in a couple more, along with confu spreads. Only a mildly moderately mild amount of RNG. :crazyeye:

Anything else you see in the save to discuss?

WastinTime · May 12, 2017

I believe Stalin has been in Despotism for exactly 25 turns now. He should change next turn, although Pollina says losing Mids doesn't count.
Technically, he was in anarchy 1t for budda switch, but that turn probably(?) still decreases the 25t timer.

152 DaCanal should get the Oasis.

WastinTime · May 12, 2017

Nothing else comes to mind. I'm around most of the day. I'm out this evening and then have family visiting until Wednesday morning, so my responses will be slower

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

WastinTime said:
I believe Stalin has been in Despotism for exactly 25 turns now. He should change next turn, although Pollina says losing Mids doesn't count.
Technically, he was in anarchy 1t for budda switch, but that turn probably(?) still decreases the 25t timer.

152 DaCanal should get the Oasis.

That's an encouraging theory. Okay, I'll play after lunch.

Pollina · May 12, 2017

WastinTime said:
I believe Stalin has been in Despotism for exactly 25 turns now. He should change next turn, although Pollina says losing Mids doesn't count.
Technically, he was in anarchy 1t for budda switch, but that turn probably(?) still decreases the 25t timer.

This is so weird. I suppose, my test game setup must have been flawed. I gave my test AI mids on T0 (they switched to a mids civic t3/4), then gave them a second city and razed their Mids city around T15, then gave them Monarchy a turn later. They would always switch into HR on T29 (unless I gave them a bunch of happiness resources, in which case they wouldn't adopt HR). Not sure what is wrong with that setup. :confused:

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

Got an extra wkr-t. I'm thinking we put in a chop-t somewhere, in case we get an extra forest, we could chop 30h into some build. It would only require 1 additioal chop-t starting t149. Best I can think of is another spy in Gaul.* Thoughts?

*That would also speed up the Gaul worker in case we need more wkr-t for some reason.

Edit: I can also put the chop into the forest that's in the BFC of Q, Corn, and Gaul, to give us options.

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

Delayed to plan worker MM.

WastinTime · May 12, 2017

All those choptions sound good. Double check it doesn't have a pre-chop turn.
And that it doesn't ruin the flow of preserves. Like I imagine you wouldn't chop one of our roaded forests. Or maybe that's not a dealbreaker.

LowtherCastle · May 12, 2017

No chop. Figured out how to use the worker-turn so that we're now exactly 209 out of 209. No extra worker needed if no forest grows at Cow-2s before t153. Will still build a last-minute worker in Gaul as a back-up. New specialized heuristic that we're fortuitously able to use though we didn't prep the terrain for it.

LowtherCastle · May 13, 2017

You have to admire Dancing Bears ability to produce hammers from this starting position:

LowtherCastle · May 13, 2017

WastinTime said:
Nothing else comes to mind. I'm around most of the day. I'm out this evening and then have family visiting until Wednesday morning, so my responses will be slower

Okay. I'll try to keep my turnset illustrations pointillistic. Check briefly every so often in case there's a calamity.

LowtherCastle · May 13, 2017

Turnset Report t148-

Previous report. PPP.

t148
Trade Darius Chemistry for Banking+50g+Map+Pacifism. Don't want to trade him Paper for Pacifism next turn.
Flip Asoka to Castes in trade. Maybe he'll accumulate more gold.

t149
No change with Stalin.
+1 resource plusmod with Gandhi. Second plusmod t154.
Two barbs archers moving on Thracian.
Flip Gandhi to Vassalage.
We revolt. Civics: -89 -> -107.
Economy: -315gpt -> -365. Commerce: 392 -> 409. (before MM).
Economy: -315gpt -> -330. Commerce: 392 -> 399. (after MM).
2325b in Biology.
Gandhi's Kolhapur already expands borders, finishing the spawnbusting of Togift!

t150
The agonizing uncertainty of Stalin's civic proclivities

Spoiler Stalin's a PUNK :

Golden Age over. Now -379 gpt and we have only 353g in our coffers. Time for a 1300g trade mission, courtesy of WastinTime! :rockon:

BIsmarck has teched Paper. :eek:

Time to trade it to Darius for cold cash.
Still on track to easily finish Biology on t154. With gold to burn. Rep rocks!. That was the other bit of luck -- Stalin building the Pyramids for us.

Moree good news. All of our spies made it safely through DariusLand.

t151
Toku pops a GS right after we trade him Paper. yikes.
Bribe Bis to Serfdom+OR
Trade Asoka for Civil Service.
We're down to -291gpt even with Thracian.
Stalin is Taoist.

t152
Confu spreads to Bismarck and Asoka!!! :banana:

Only Togift remains.
More good news. We now have a unit on both vulnerable road tiles, preventing forest growth.
+1 OBs, +1 resource trades with Asoka, now +6.
AIs are loading up on techs.

t153
Gandhi will trade wine and Music. Awesome combination. Just in time for Togift to build :culture:

.

Togift settled with Confu.

t154
Biology in. Maybe could have built research and completed t153. Liberalism(1) is a breeze.
Northern islands are infested with barb galleys. This is where Zhary put lots of forests for teams that screwed up.
Our homeland cities are drunken happy with National Parks.

t155
All players now have Medicine, but Toku insists on using shiatsu instead.
Darius pops Great Artist, I'm thinking yay, better than bulbing Educ. What does he do? Culture bombs DaCanal!!! Putting some serious pressure on our easternmost forest preserve. Quahog builds 11 :culture:

per turn, will pop borders on t157.

t156
Forest grows on TAT hill (minus mine). yeehaw
Darius builds us Notre Dame.

Okay. Stopping for the day. I've done the worker actions for t156 but not the crucial stuff. Tomorrow it is.

UPLOADED.

Tomorrow, it is. Onward...

t156(cont)
Gift Moscow to Stalin. Moscow's culture crowds all our adjacent cities. We couldn't re-capture this turn withot a 3-mvmt unit... More important, Stalin is now a voting member.

We're shown to be still in Rep, as in my test. Not sure if that flips before or after cities do their thing, so I'll MM as if we don't get those beakers.
Gift Togift. All AIs are now AP members of one sort or another. Incidentally, before adding too much culture, Togift liberated to Toku, not Gandhi. Thracian still liberates to Gandhi.
T156 Togift costs 162eps to flip civics at 61% odds of success. Toku should have at most 1c next turn, increasing the cost at most to 180. We have 301 eps on Toku (a mild case of overkill

).
We also have 427eps on Stalin, and should need precisely 120. I did the overkill to increase, ever so slightly, our mission success odds, since we had the surplus, but more important, because we now have a 6th spy in Stone at only 80% stationary.

AP victory shows a requirement of 231 of 309 votes. We have 180, Darius has 104. So we have less than 75% and with Darius will have enough. No need to gift away any more cities. Darius is +13 with us, including -4 for trading with his WE. Gandhi, Asoka, and Bis are all still Pleased with us. We have 5 spies in place in Togift (assuming they all survive IT), and 6 spies in Stone.

Note that Gandhi just completed Drama. That's significant because the only tech we can now use to bribe him to Environmentalism is Education. We also will have 445g next turn, plus any we earn in trade. That should work.

We have 28 forest preserves and 27 workers to finish the other 22, requiring 24 wkr-t. All workers are in place to finish them next turn.

Time to roll the turn. :scared:

t157
Weird stuff happens IT, like Gandhi canceling the rice deal and refusing to trade Drama, which he offered last turn.
We choose RV against Stalin over OBs with all. We vote for ourselves.
We have 50 forests preserves. I upload the t157 save to the GOTM server. Take screenshots.
We revolt to Environmentalism+Castes+Pacifism.
Bribe Gandhi+Asoka+Darius+Bis to Environmentalism.
Spy mission on Toku 174eps for Environmentalism: Succeeds 1st try.

Gift Stalin Stone. He has no culture around Stone now that Darius has conducted his culture bomb.

Spy mission on Stalin 120eps for Environmentalism: 1st try

Spoiler :

t158
We win religious victory. All AIs are still in Env. We still have all 50 forest preserves. I uploaded our game. PMed AlanH.

Now time to see if nostalgia smoked our a$$es.

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LowtherCastle · May 14, 2017

Hm...a possible glitch in our matrix. On t156 we gift Moscow to Stalin, forcing us out of Rep. Will we be able to revolt to Env on t157?!?!? Bad vibes here...why didn't I think of this? Or did you already and I forgot? I'll test it.

TESTED:

Spoiler What :

WastinTime · May 14, 2017

wow. such fast progress. :goodjob:

Everything looks to be going as planned. I'm scared we missed something. :twitch:

LowtherCastle · May 14, 2017

T157 forest preserve screenshots
Screenshots taken before revolting to Environmentalism on t157.

Spoiler screenshots :

T157 All Players Running Environmentalism screenshot

Spoiler :

LowtherCastle · May 14, 2017

For info, here's the final worker plan t139-t157:

Spoiler worker plan :

I added the numbers 1-50 while I was planning the forest preserves. It was getting really messy until then. At first I was reluctant to put all those notes in there, but it turned out to help immeasurably, in planning and then especially in checking that I hadn't left anything out (I had) and the execution of the plan.

LowtherCastle · May 14, 2017

.....

WastinTime · May 15, 2017

LowtherCastle said:
checking that I hadn't left anything out (I had)

Sounds ominous.
Thx for sparing me the drama/stress. How ominous was it?

WastinTime · May 15, 2017

I see we had 7 unused, backup spies thx to your careful safety planning, LC.
I bet you wear 2 condoms.

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