[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Unusual Suspects

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

turn 76
I wait a turn to see what the janissary is up to.

turn 77
Janissary is garrisoning a city. What an affront!! I declare war.

turn 78
Swadaya paya is built. 12 wonders now.
A grand total of 2 archer is defending istanbul which I capture without looses.
Use great merchant for 1500 gold.

turn 79
I decided that we should get Constitution for jails.

turn 80
I finish the ankow wat.
I demanded 60 gold from America.
I put 27 ep on England to see the size of their army. It is important to determine whether I should fair a dogpile war.

turn 81
Finish Hagia Sophia

turn 82
Eliminated Ottomans.

turn 83
Not much to report.

turn 84
Sistine Chapel built.
Hanging Gardens built.

turn 85
National Epic on Yanan.
Heroic Epic in Beijing.
Declare war on Rome

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

Not playing that fast yet. I will have a shjort break now and then continue. Reason for a break is that we are ready for our second golden age now. Goal of the golden age is 3 great artists and great merchants/great spies to generate espionage points.

We have 261 points right now. with only 1 culture point. We will get 50 points when the apostolic palace is built. It seems that if we get 150k culture and apostolic palace we have 410 points. Killing Rome will then be enough.

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

Did anyone find a way to get better ratio on Espionage. Such that we will not need 37k espionage?

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

If anyone is here I can start to stream again. It felt good to talk with sitting bull on the channel.

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

Spoiler turn log :

SittinDown · Apr 29, 2018

i'm lurking the stream, can give occasional input.

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

I have finished the GP plan and I am to get 8 great people by chaining Taj Mahal to our Golden age.

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

Hi!

We won on turn 124. I'm exhausted. Most of the play exists on my twitch channel for two weeks. Good game everyone.

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

Spoiler turn log :

Folket · Apr 29, 2018

About 450 points.

kcd_swede · Apr 30, 2018

Folket said:
About 450 points.

Wow! I am really sad I missed the marathon! I just got back from Småland today... Now THAT is what I call Spring cleaning!
Good job guys, esp Folket and SittinDown. Is the final save submitted?

Folket · Apr 30, 2018

It was pretty hard. And I did not play well. Our espionage was 15 turns ahead of our spies. I did not plan the spies at all so I completely messed up and underestimated how long it takes to walk over the map without engineering.

I think we could have won 15 turns earlier with better micro. Spy movement optimization and earlier production, about 10 turns. Not 15 since we would build less jails.

I spent the last 6 turns in our golden age without generating any GPP. I should have made a pause in the middle of the golden age and whiped intel centers. Too much slow building intel centers when we had the kreml. 25 turns without whipping cause the worker placement to be less then optimal.

I also finished Chichen Itza by mistake. Immediate loss of 500 gold and probably I could have put 500 more fail hammers into it before France finished it. that is two turns of Espionage.

I should have changed to nationalism at the start of the golden age for the cheap upkeep and extra espionage. Lost 20 turns of 25% espionage. Buro helped with chaining golden age to Taj Mahal. But it would probably have been better to have a pause to whip anyhow.

Strange thing. Spies count as military units when it comes to Pacifism but not when it comes to police state. Continuing with representation could have given us Engineering at 0% research and save a turn from moving spies faster.

I think the strategy was competitive but could have been better executed. It will be interesting to see what the others did.

I guess we as usual wait for a organizer to say our save is fine before we read the other threads?

Folket · Apr 30, 2018

And with stacks of 70+ spies every button click takes 10 second. It was really painful.

Folket · Apr 30, 2018

Looking at the graphs. It seems like both home slices and Phoenix rising are going culture. But they are 50 turns faster then us.

SittinDown · Apr 30, 2018

I saw that one of them clearly bombed culture into one city, but then must have gifted it away again, because their culture went from 1k to 70k back down to 1k, so they might not be going for a culture victory, but are still using it to get to the 420 points. I bet they are going for an AP victory condition, or possibly they went for Feudalism, and managed to vassal Washington and are going Conquest.

i'll be really intrigued if anyone wins faster than us while getting corps - much better econ management would be needed.

kcd_swede · Apr 30, 2018

Thanks for bringing it home... if the sgotm progress page is correct, we finish 3rd, but would be fourth if one team had not been incomplete... no idea what that is about... maybe failed to get 420? Anyhow, long from the spoons, so the tradition lives on. :thumbsup:

Folket · May 1, 2018

"Apparently Homies found yet another way to break the game, which allowed them to cash in 15+ points in culture every 2 turns with little to no effort. All based around the principle that when an AI liberates a colony, you get same amount of EP on colony as you have on master. Not sure on the details how they did it, but if you do a couple of Gspy infiltrations on an AI, then manage to have said AI spawn a new colony every 2 turns, then you'd get 6k EP every 2 turns that can be used for culture spread.

They ended with 123k culture in their spy city and didn't even get the trade route discount for their missions. Meaning they probably used a total of >25k EP for espionage missions. The fact that we almost managed to beat that is quite amazing!

It seems bomber can reveal location of every city and relocate to any city you have OB with, even in the fog, which Homies used to determine location and owner of every city in the world right from the start, and to reveal all capitals in the first dozen turns. Seems pretty flying camera-ish to me. Not sure if I would have wanted to use it even if I knew it could be done. Would have been nice to actually get visual on those American barb cities earlier though."

This is massive. To be able to double your espionage is insane.

Noble Zarkon · May 1, 2018

Congratulations on finishing the game and achieving the objectives.

kcd_swede said:
Thanks for bringing it home... if the sgotm progress page is correct, we finish 3rd, but would be fourth if one team had not been incomplete... no idea what that is about... maybe failed to get 420?

The final save is always hidden until the game ends, not sure if this is what led you to think someone was incomplete?

SittinDown · May 1, 2018

I was wondering the same thing.

(Also - Folket - could you please edit your turn log post with a spoiler tag? I'm having a hard time loading up this page on my phone).

kcd_swede · May 2, 2018

I got PM from alanH and Deckhand: Well done. All the teams have finished now, so you can read and post in all threads. (we had highest score of 457).
:clap:

When I checked the sgotm25 progress page, it was showing final saves. That was on the deadline day, but must have been a glitch of some kind... maybe premature gmt+1 timezone stuff, or else I was logged in as staff, but I don't think so. :dunno:

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