SGOTM2 Germany - Team tao

[Furiey]

2550 (Turn 0): Nothing to do that I can see but look around. I see what you mean about Cathy’s high growth start! I prefer tao’s spot for city 1. The location for city 2 I think depends on how closely we want to build. Pressing the Button.
IBT: 3/3 Russian Warrior approaches and stops on the southern of the 2 mountains to the west of Berlin.
2510 BC (Turn 1): Iron working in 21; N Warrior N and sees more of the same; E Warrior W – jungle appears to be clearing; S Warrior SE – SE coast comes in view; W Warrior NW – coast? Check trades – Liz still wants everything we have and gpt for Alphabet, she has York and Nottingham as cities (not sure if she had them before)
IBT: W Russian Warrior N to other mountain; Barb Warrior appears on mountain N of N Warrior.
2470 BC (Turn 2): MM Berlin to Grow in 1, Settler in 1; Worker 1 NE to Wheat; E Warrior S; S Warrior S – coast but there’s a link to more land E; W Warrior NW; N Warrior (by Barb) Fortifies; another Barb moves to where the last one was.
IBT: W Russian Warrior N; Barb Warrior attacks fortified N Warrior. Barb defeated, N Warrior 2/3. Berlin builds Settler, Warrior (in 2) next, growth in 4.
2430 BC (Turn 3): Settler moves to Mountain NNE; Worker Irrigates Wheat; N Warrior now 3/3 again Fortifies; Warrior in Berlin joins Settler as escort. Happiness OK, Warrior will build before growth. E Warrior SE; S Warrior NE; W Warrior N; Liz still wants everything for CB, but no longer needs gpt as well – hmm, soon maybe.
IBT: Russian Warrior N; Barb attacks fortified N Warrior – barb defeated, Warrior promoted 4/4.
2390 BC (Turn 4): Iron Working in 18; Berlin MM to still give Warrior in 1 but growth in 2; Settler/Escort N; N Warrior N – sees coast; E Warrior SE sees Coast to SE; S Warrior NE; W Warrior N – coast.
IBT: Russian Warrior NE onto city site – grrrr; Berlin builds Warrior, another queued and Berlin MM to give Warrior in 2, growth in 1.
2350 BC (Turn 5): New Warrior fortified in Berlin; Settler/Escort NW – hopefully that Russian Warrior will move; N Warrior N – spots Barb camp on mountain E; W Warrior E; S Warrior NE; E Warrior S; No change trade wise.
IBT: Russian Warrior E – yippee no longer on the city site! Barb appears WNW of S Warrior;
2310 BC (Turn 6): S Warrior E; E Warrior SW (the area explored by these will soon meet); Settler/Escort W to city site; N Warrior N; W Warrior SE; Berlin now size 5, MM to give Warrior in 1, growth in 3 – Settler next. No change for trades.
IBT: Russian Warrior Moves N; Berlin produces Warrior, Settler queued.
2270 BC (Turn 7): Worker 1 starts Road; Leipzig founded! – the tile to the W of the NW Ivory is FP. Berlin MM to give Leipzig wheat, but still grow in 2, Settler in 5 (less with future MM); Leipzig produces +3 food, 2spt, Barracks in 10 queued for a start – might not stay; N Warrior N; W Warrior SE; S Warrior SE – coast; E Warrior S; new Berlin Warrior Fortified; Lux dropped to 10%.
IBT: Barb appears WNW of S Warrior, Russian Warrior disappears into fog E.
2230 BC (Turn 8): Berlin MM to give growth in 1, settler in 3; S Warrior N; E Warrior N, N Warrior N – sees coast to the W?; W Warrior S; will need to adjust lux next turn when Berlin grows.
IBT: Russian Warrior reappears back where he was; Barb now in forest SW of S Warrior.
2190 BC (Turn 9): Lux set back to 20%; Berlin MM to give Settler in 2 with higher food; S Warrior N – goody hut ENE on hill, E Warrior N, N Warrior N – coast – where is Liz?; W Warrior S;
IBT: Barb now S of S Warrior; Russian Warrior moves onto gold mountain in our territory E of Leipzig
2150 BC (Turn 10): Berlin MM to give Settler in 1, size 7 in 2; Worker 1 NW; N Warrior W – more land! W Warrior S; S Warrior NE – assuming the Barb follows the next up will have the choice between attacking or popping the goodie hut; E Warrior NE; Trades: Cathy now has Iron Working, Liz has Alphabet and the Wheel.

The Save

We have another Settler being produced next turn, the irrigated wheat can probably then go back to Leipzig. We also have some potential 3 way trading:

To summarise: we have CB, 136gold, +9gpt
Liz wants: for Alphabet –> CB + 120gold
or for the Wheel –> CB + 116 gold
Cathy wants for Iron Working –> 5gpt + 100gold

I’ve not played a succession game before, so have left it at that for now

RCP pics to come.

minimap 2150 BC

 

[mad-bax]

Furiey: you can upload the save to the server using the "Upload to Server" link in my sig (then bookmark it). This allows the score to be entered and the graph updated.

Stictly speaking you don't need to provide a link to your save in the game thread since it can be downloaded from the server using the "downloads and scores" link in my sig.

 

[tao]

I suggest to mm Berlin to grow and produce settler in 2 turns. I would have mined the bg first before building the road to Leipzig. That would have completed our 5 turn settler factory. Early in the game rex is more important than money. It might be best to build another worker in 2 turns/grow in 2 turns next in Berlin, since we are not industrious.

PS: Did you check for available workers every turn?

PPS: Wheat not to Leipzig, 5 turn settler factoty in Berlin!!!

 

[Furiey]

As promised rings piccies, with overlaid city boundaries (there is no significance to 9 being highlighted) 1st one a loose build, second a tighter build. B tight gives us a city with the Wheat in the East - looks like there's FP further E, plus there' incense over there as well, we will need to get the spices soon or Cathy will get them - with that growth why does she still have only 2 cities total though?

 

[Furiey]

Thanks mad-bax - my first one of these

checked every turn - no workers, re: mining bg - I agree realised as soon as I moved the worker.

 

[Demiurge]

I prefer the tighter build with all the jungle to the south. We effectively cut the number of early productive cities in half around our capital.

As far as second city placement, I'd vote for getting our next over to "B" in the tight placement above. Given the rate Cathy's settling, (Does the ai suffer from disease?) we might be able to gamble and hold off on settling the spices.

ps: Just checked the save, Moscow's up to size 3, there's a settler in her near future.

The roster — current playing order:
Knappagh1 (next)
NeoXultragoth
tao
Demiurge
Furiey

 

[Knappagh1]

Hey guy's,

Just got the game now. I wont be able to play until i get home later Today.

Any thoughts on my turns. I see that there is a settler due shortly in Moscow. Should we go for the spices first or settle on "B" in the tight placement? Personally, I would go for the spices first. We dont really want the AI parked on our doorstep this early in the game.

 

[tao]

I would also go for the spices first. Please also micromanage Berlin to grow and produce settler in 2 turns.

 

[Knappagh1]

Preturn Checks.
MM Berlin to Settler in 2.
Russian Warrior on hill East of Leipzeg.
Press Return

Turn One (2110 BC)
South Warrior - East to Hut. Popped Barbs. SE Warrior, East to Explore Coast line. Worker - Road to Leipzeg. N Warrior, West. W Warrior South. Sees Liz's Borders.

IBT, S Warrior gets promoted to Elite(-3HP) care of 3 Barbs.

Turn Two (2070 BC)
Berlin produces Settler > Spear. MM so Spear and growth both in 3. Send Settler and Warrior to Spices. North Warrior - North. West Warrior - West. SE Warrior - East. S Warrior, fortified on hill @ 2hp.

IBT, South Warrior dies at hands of Barb.

Turn 3 (2030 BC)
Dip with Cathy reveals she has a worker for sale @ 30G. I take it.
North Warrior - North towards mountains. See's Barb Camp. Russia worker to help with road to Ivory. East Warrior - North. West Warrior - South.

IBT, Nothing

Turn 4 (1990 BC)
North Warrior takes Barb camp. Looses 2hp. See's what looks like an Island to the East. Workers finish road to Leipzig and move to Ivory. East Warrior - North. West warrior - South East.

IBT Nothing.

Turn 5 (1950 BC)
Berlin completes spear > settler due in 4 along with growth. The people love me and let me have the honour of laying the foundations to our Palace. Workers begin road to Ivory. Should be connected in 3. I found Armagh on the south spices. Wooooooo Hooooooo.. my first SG City!!!!!
East Warrior attacks Barb and wins -1hp. North warrior - North West.

Dip with cathy shows she has 3 Cities and is up IW on us. (171g + 2gpt). Liz has also 3 Cities and is up Alpha (171g +2gpt) and Wheel (171g +1gpt). We are making 11 gpt and Iw is due in 7.

IBT Nothing.

Turn 6 (1910 BC)
North Warrior - North West (being chased be 2 Barbs). East Warrior - North. See's more Spices. West Warrior - South. Ivory due next turn.

IBT, North warrios defeats Barb. Still @ 2hp.

Turn 7 (1870 BC)
Leipzig Barracks > Spear due in 10, Growth in 6. Road to Ivory completed. Mine ivory for extra production.
East Warrior - North. North Warrior - North West. See's Incense. West Warrior - East to Mountian over looking Eng. See's river, Bg and forest. London most likely on the River.

IBT, Liz is building the Pyramids.

Turn 8 (1830 BC)
North Warrior - North west. East Warrior - North west. West Warrior - South West.
Dip with Cathy shows she is now up Mas, Alpha and IW and looking 80g, 90g, and 200g respectivley. Liz is up Mas, Alpha and Wheel and looking the same for Alpha and Mas and 190g for Wheel.

Berlin Growth and Settler due in 1. Will send them to site "B". Leipzig growth in 5, Spear in 9. Armagh growth in 7 and Spear in 17.

IBT Nothing.

Turn 9 (1830 BC)
Berlin Settler > Spear in 3. MM for growth in 3 also. Send Settler and Warrior to site "B". East Warrior - North. North Warrior - North. West Warrior - South.(Takes us through Liz's teritory, but avoids backtracking.) West Warrior see's London @ size one.

IBT Liz asks us politley to move. Cathy demands 29g. I give in. Dont want to risk an early war especailly as they may have swordsmen.

Turn 10 (1750 BC)
North Warrior - West. See's Island to the West. Settler and Warrior heading North East on course for site "B". East Warrior - North West. West Warrior - South.

End of turn summary.
Liz is up Mas (80g) Alpha (90g) and Wheel (190g). She has 4 Cities.
Cathy is up Mas (80g) Alpha (90g) and IW (190g). She has 3 Cities.

Berlin is due Growth and Spear in 2. Leipzig is due growth in 3 and spear in 7. Armagh is due growth in 5 and spear in 15. Iw is due very shortly... i cant remember exactly when.

Settler and Warrior are heading for Site B on Furiey's Tight placement map.

Here's the save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm2/tao_SG002_BC1750_01.SAV

 

[Demiurge]

Just a couple of suggestions. Nice job scoring that worker from Cathy. That'll slow her down. I would have used it to mine that BG NW of Berlin prior to sending it N though. We need to mine that BG NW of Berlin ASAP. Also I think Leipzig should be producing warriors. We have a barracks there and we want to build cheap warriors to upgrade to swords later. I would also MM Berlin for settler in 3. Armagh could also produce a worker in 5 growth in 5 since workers will be of utmost importance on this map. With all the room for expansion, the ai won't be that aggressive and the spears seem unnecessary to me. Expansion and terrain improvements should be our priorities. Lux could be dropped back to 10%.

 

[Knappagh1]

Apologies for not mining the Bg. I missed that somehow before i played. Also i went for spears because barbs are on raging afaik. Also, im just stepping up to Monarch so im not 100% sure as to how the AI will behave. Will take it all on board and learn!!!!

 

[Demiurge]

Just my opinion on the warriors, and don't get me wrong, I usually build a few spears myself. In the early game I use them more to defend my stacks of swords than for city defense though since I'm typically on the offensive.

 

[Knappagh1]

No problem Demiurge. Just one of my habits. Because im more of a builder, i tend to have 2/3 spears per city. I would like to modify my stratagies to become more aggressive though.

 

[Demiurge]

Well it's been over 24 hours since Knappagh1 posted the sav and no word from NeoXultragoth. I checked and he hasn't logged in since joining the team. Not a good sign. I think we should give him/her a little more time, but how much is enough?

The roster — current playing order:
NeoXultragoth (next)
tao
Demiurge
Furiey
Knappagh1

 

[Knappagh1]

I think tao should take his turn and keep the game moving. If NeoXultragoth doesnt show by his next turn, then we will have to continue as a team of 4.

 

[Karasu]

I PM-ed Neo about the game: hopefully he will jump here and join the team.

Regarding the current turn, the decision is entirely up to the team whether you want to wait for a few more hours or to skip.

 

[tao]

I alread PM-ed him twice on Sunday. No answer. Therefore I intend to play this evening, unless he shows up

 

[tao]

pre-turn (1750): switch Berlin spear to archer (will be promoted by attacking barbs);
MM to give wheat to Leipzig for speeding growth without harming Berlin; reduce lux to 10%

1: 1725: 2 barbs approach N warrior; retreats on mountain
workers are done w Leipzig mine
IBT Liz offers masonry for 80g, but we deny

2: 1700: we learn iron working, but England also and thus no deals
nobody has iron connected; we have iron E of Berlin (can build colony w slave), England has iron currently outside of London
Berlin b archer s settler; archer heads towards Leipzig where barb approaches; workers start irrigating S of Leipzig
min research on mysticism; 20% lux
Hamburg founded starts warrior

IBT: N warrior is attacked by 2 barbs promotes to elite; 2 barbs approach Leipzig

3: 1675: archer kills barb promotes to vet

IBT: barb attacks archer and dies

4: 1650: irrigation done start mining bg; warrior starts to cross English territory
Russia knows mysticism; thus I set research to 0
mm wheat back to Berlin to coincide growth w settler production

IBT: another barb dies attacking out archer

5: 1625: Leipzig b spear start next (I prefer spear, because we soon will see barb horsemen)

6: 1600: Berlin b settler s worker; settler goes to claim iron

7: 1575: Hamburg b warrior (to defend new town) s worker
Konigsberg founded s barracks
our barb hunting party sees iron N of Leipzig, N warrior also sees iron

IBT: England pushed our warrior to the other side of their territoy

8: 1550: Berlin b worker s next; archer disperses barb camp getting 25g
S warrior sees pink borders (France?)
switch Armagh to barracks

IBT Russians start Oracle

9: 1525: we contact France; they have masonry, alphabet, wheel, but lack mysticism
buy mysticism from England for 67g
buy wheel from France for mysticism, 11g (got to know where horses are); and the horses are S of Konigsberg and far away in the SE
start min research on polytheism

10: 1500: Berlin b worker s settler; Armagh b barracks s warrior



Assessment: I suppose we know all civs on our landmass. Moscow b oracle, London and Paris b Pyramids; thus we can grow and conquer later what we want.
Berlin should now pump settlers, Hamburg workers (granary in between; once connected to the lux, we can pop rush. Irrigate the wheat, mine the bg, connect.
We should claim the horses S, the flood plains W, the incense E, maybe even the cattle WW.
Nobody seems to be N of us but barbarians.
We are last w Firaxis score 131. Jason score is 100.

The save.

Demiurge (next)
Furiey
Knappagh1
NeoXultragoth (skipped)
tao

 

[Demiurge]

Got the save and will play tomorrow. Given the time differences between us it will be long after you all go to bed though.

Anyone have an opinion at this time on what spacing we should try to build at for our second RCP ring? Seven too tight?

 

[tao]

Anyone have an opinion at this time on what spacing we should try to build at for our second RCP ring? Seven too tight?

I would probably go with 8: on the incense, at the coast, claiming western flood plains ....