We don't know yet what changes has been made to the abilities of Great People, and we have also heard that it will be different to win influence with city states. There will be more quests, and there is also a believe that increases influence with city states that share your religion. If it is still possible to buy influence with gold, it is most likely going to be a lot more expensive.
Sweden
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We don't know yet what changes has been made to the abilities of Great People, and we have also heard that it will be different to win influence with city states. There will be more quests, and there is also a believe that increases influence with city states that share your religion. If it is still possible to buy influence with gold, it is most likely going to be a lot more expensive.
Just realized Sweden will be a lock for diplomatic victory. Note that one of the quests is to generate GP for CS's. They will do this at a higher rate than other civs with DoF's. You can instantly capitalize on the quest by conserving GP. Then instead of gold to buy a UN vote, you can simply gift your remaining GP and earn 90 influence close to the last turn. Then buy out the rest with gold.
SalemSage
Warlord
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As I've mentioned before in another topic, Sweden is definitely going to be one of my favourite civs to play as. It encourages peaceful play and involves Great People in a large way.
It's just a shame that if Greece or Austria are in the same game as Sweden, they'll have a LOT of problems. At least that 10% Great Person Generation bonus will be helpful. I hope it stacks to encourage being friendly with more people.
People might think that if the bonus stacks, it'll be overpowered, but really, if you can get declarations of friendships with 8 people, you're doing something right, aren't you? And how likely is that?
In most of my games, when I get DoFs, I get about 2 or 3 before I can't accept any more of them for fear of annoying my friends. 20-30% bonus generation for Great People sounds fairly decent!
Plus, if you're not playing as Sweden, you have a nice reason to be friends with them. Hooray. If one were to be going for a domination victory, I could see people picking off Sweden last to try and get as much out of the bonus as possible.
All in all, really interesting civ, and that's just their UA! Shame they don't have a UB, but oh well.
It's just a shame that if Greece or Austria are in the same game as Sweden, they'll have a LOT of problems. At least that 10% Great Person Generation bonus will be helpful. I hope it stacks to encourage being friendly with more people.
People might think that if the bonus stacks, it'll be overpowered, but really, if you can get declarations of friendships with 8 people, you're doing something right, aren't you? And how likely is that?
In most of my games, when I get DoFs, I get about 2 or 3 before I can't accept any more of them for fear of annoying my friends. 20-30% bonus generation for Great People sounds fairly decent!
Plus, if you're not playing as Sweden, you have a nice reason to be friends with them. Hooray. If one were to be going for a domination victory, I could see people picking off Sweden last to try and get as much out of the bonus as possible.
All in all, really interesting civ, and that's just their UA! Shame they don't have a UB, but oh well.
Sweden doesn't need any UB . Obviously,the range of the use of those 2 UU are restricted,thanks to the fact that Sweden needs to play nice with others to use their UA,but that doesn't mean they have to be friendly with everybody everytime . And depending on the circumstances,getting one enemy or another can even help them to get more friends .
svett89
Chieftain
Keep in mind that Sweden's UA includes two things: being able to generate more great people through DoF's and being able to gift city states great people for influence. This makes them quite versatile in my opinion, and going for all-out domination is definitely not out of the question as you will generate a ton of Great Generals (and Great Admirals?) through conquering. Since gold gifts effectiveness will be reduced, I could see maintaining many City State allies while waging a lot of war becoming more difficult for most civilizations. Sweden will definitely get an advantage in that area.
Overall, I'm really excited about the whole UA. It seems to be very versatile, and depending on how strong the UU's are, I could see Sweden becoming a viable option for any victory condition, even for higher difficulty levels.
Securion
Civ Veteran
Thank you very much for that info.
Sweden might be pretty balanced then after all....?
MaximusK
Warlord
I bought a GP with faith and gifted it to a nearby CS that was already better than neutral with me . . . and I didn't even get ally! Hiawatha was spending tons of gold on CS.
Hiawatha ended up building utopia several turns before I finished (he was also building space ship parts!)
If I had settled the GP I probably would have been better off.
Suggestion:
Sweden's UA should be buffed to give automatic ally status w/ GP gift. (by degrading all other civ's reputation)
Hiawatha ended up building utopia several turns before I finished (he was also building space ship parts!)
If I had settled the GP I probably would have been better off.
Suggestion:
Sweden's UA should be buffed to give automatic ally status w/ GP gift. (by degrading all other civ's reputation)
Kimuyama
Prince
About Sweden, and I know I can easily change this myself and that it isn't a major issue, but why is Gothenburg so far down Swedens city-list?
I mean, it is the second largest city in Sweden, the Fifth largest in the Nordic countries, as well as being the largest port in the Nordic countries.
Also I am from the same county, but still....
I mean, it is the second largest city in Sweden, the Fifth largest in the Nordic countries, as well as being the largest port in the Nordic countries.
Also I am from the same county, but still....
SS-18 ICBM
Oscillator
At the time its in-game leader was alive, did it occupy the same exalted position?
Shurdus
Am I Napoleon?
Manually change the name of an early city to Gothenburg if it bothers you?
Moderator Action: Merged into a bigger and more general thread.
(because I don't really think that this deserves its own topic, sorry)
Kimuyama
Prince
Gustavus Adolphus founded the city, and it was the only port Sweden had to the west at the time. It was certainly more important than Helsinki or Sigtuna, not to mention that Malmö comes before it in the city-list, even though it wasn't a Swedish city then.
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Yeah, you're right, should have thought of that.
