TSG 225 After Actions Thread

[vadalaz]

In this thread you can post the results of your game. Please state your victory/loss date (preferably in the post title) and describe your path to glory in this post! Players are encouraged to provide feedback on the game.

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- Did you play peacefully or warlike?
- How did you use your Great Scientists? How many academies did you plant, and what techs did you bulb?
- How many cities did you have in the end and where did you settle them?
- What Social Policies did you choose and in what order? Which Ideology did you choose?
- What proposals did you make to the World Congress? Were they passed?

 

[fiddlesticks]

Science Victory Turn 238

Standard 4 city Tradition game. Early culture was slow so I went directly from Tradition to Rationalism. Commerce to Mercantilism was filled in after winning the world's fair and bulbing saved writers. I missed Globe Theater in Akkad to Arabia by 2 turns.

Desert folklore helped faith and I even won one or two faith city-state challenges (rare on Deity).

I bulbed one GS to reach Radio earlier, then saved the rest until after Research Labs were up for 7-8 turns. If memory serves correctly, most bulbed in the 6,500-7,200 range. I only planted the first GS.

I only proposed World's Fair which passed. I voted for Caesar's proposal for +3 culture for wonders which also helpfully passed. After that the AI just banned luxuries.

The key feature of this game was keeping Greece occupied with someone else, usually Rome, but once with Persia too. Espionage (my own and others) alerted me a few times that he had launched sneak attacks, but I was alway able to distract him and he never DoW'ed me, which kept several valuable trade routes intact and was worth the investment.


T1: Settle the plains hill. Nice to see the oasis show up after the move there.
T4: 75g
10: Pottery ->Calendar
12: Calendar ruin ->Writing
15: Meet Ife
16: Scarcher
20: DoW Arabia, 2 worker steal with Warrior
29: DoW Vatican City
44: Peace Arabia Wine <-> Incense
Turn 55-ish, DOW'ed Greece to kill a settler heading for my coastal spot.

77: Bribe Greece to DoW Rome (2 luxuries, -3 happiness for a few turns)
96: National College

T100: Education
T107: Machu Pichu -> University
T108: Research Agreement with Arabia
T119: Finish Colossus, open Rationalism
T122: Tech leader
T130: Bribe Rome to DoW Greece
T141: Research agreement with Rome
T148: Finish LToP (Scientist)

T165: Win World's Fair
T174: Bulb 2X Great Writers to Mercantilism. Research Agreement with Rome

T212: Bribe Rome to DoW Greece
T226: Buy 3rd faith Great Scientist
T230: Babylon Great Scientist
T235: Dur-K Great Scientist
T236: Hubble

My last save was this one from T212. I saved the image but forgot to save the game file.

 

[moocattitude]

OK, so, dead at turn 152. Never was very good on Diety!

Moderator Action: Moved this post to the After Action thread. In future, once you open a game save, please do not post in the Announcement thread for fear of revealing spoilers to other players. Thank you. leif

 

[moocattitude]

OK, no problem. Just a Chieftain here...

 

[curios1ty]

Turn 303 Science Victory... probably by the skin of my teeth as others were building parts too. Alex would have won a world leader vote in 15 or turns. Need to figure out the middle part of the game a bit better, as I got a 4 city turn 100 NC, but got bogged down spending a lot of happiness/gold on Greece to DOW other nations which slowed me right down (as did some dubious city placement - I missed the whale tile by a square on my early scouting!). The clutch moment was building an atomic bomb just before getting DOW'ed by Arabia to the north, which staved them off until I could bribe Assyria to DOW them, which triggered Greece to DOW, which saw Alex's allies take Mecca and Damascus!.

I think for me I planted too many scientists, but I'm also thinking about not surviving without their science through the midgame. Was in a big culture hole and unfortunately missed opening rationalism straight after Tradition - ended up opening commerce as my economy sucked too. Was second to Ideology, so I took order behind Assyria - was worried about pressure.

Never got a religion, though did get an early pantheon (but not desert folklore).

i think the only wonder i bothered with was Hubble. I managed to milk Vatican for 4-5 workers. I might go back to play the first 100 turns again to improve city placement and maybe test whether or not Petra is possible.

I proposed worlds fair, which passed, but I came 3rd.

 

[moocattitude]

Pretty amazing! I'd love to walk through the entire saved game at some point; I'm sure there's lots that I could learn. I've never seen an interface like this showing trade routs, units, etc. I guess there's a setting for that?

 

[curios1ty]

Pretty amazing! I'd love to walk through the entire saved game at some point; I'm sure there's lots that I could learn. I've never seen an interface like this showing trade routs, units, etc. I guess there's a setting for that?

That's the Enhanced User Interface mod, its really excellent!

 

[sebtanic]

Won t339... barely

I still couldn't take screenshots and didn't take a lot of notes, so I'll just give a quick resume here (continued from Opening actions thread):

After turn 100 Alex DOWed me at some point. I had tried to bribe him to attack someone else but he wouldn't take my offers. Even though I was last in military for most of the game, I easily staved off his attacks and even took his capital and one of his coastal cities.

The problem was happiness though. I razed the coastal city I took from Alex down to 1 population and kept it, but his capital was too much -- my happiness went below -10 at one point. So I sold Athens to Persia, who kept it for the rest of the game. This made for a good buffer zone between my lands and the Greek. Eventually I made peace with Alex.

I took Freedom and most of the other Civs took Autocracy, so due to my low Tourism and Culture I soon had to live with a permanent revolutionary wave. It produced something like 23 unhappiness or more. What's more, the AI kept banning luxuries in the World Congress, which didnt make it any easier to stay positive

Nevertheless, I somehow managed to gain the tech lead with all my great scientists. I had 3 Academies planted around Babylon, the rest I used for bulbing. I beelined Satellites for Hubble, then went for the Atomic Bomb to keep the AIs from DOWing me.

Unfortunately, before my first A-Bomb was ready I got attacked by Arabia and Byzantium simultaneously. Byzantium never did much, they had no coastal cities and never got any units to my lands. But Arabia was quite a chore to stave off. I nuked them once and then built a couple more A-Bombs to keep the remaining civs in check.

When I finally got peace my economy and production were decent enough to win the space race before Alex could win the diplomatic vote. I hard-built the first 5 spaceship parts, and when I finally got Fusion I bought the engine and took off

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I built few World Wonders: Only Statue of Liberty, Hubble, and Big Ben I think. Captured Tower of Pisa from Alex for some extra GP points.

SPs: Tradition, Patronage opener, Rationalism, Commerce Opener, Freedom, 1 in commerce (more gold), one in patronage (gold gifts more effective)

I had a religion but it was only active in my capital. My other cities got converted to Islam(Arabia) which was OK though as they had desert folklore.

 

[Rhodro]

I made such a gigantic mistake at turn 141. World's fair was just accepted, my plan was to pop a golden age, set all my cities to worlds fair, and put all the other civs at war.
I checked all the civs, and persia was willing to war almost everyone for 80gpt or so and my last 2 luxes. We made a deal and my plan was to declare war on him to get my stuff back.
Normally I do, but this time I forgot to check which city states he allied. He was allies with all the city states around me... This mistake was so big I don't feel like continuing.

I did get petra though, by beelining it after writing, only side tech was mining I think. Plus 3 chops from the forests did the trick, just beat byzantium. Stole the workers from the merchantile CS to the west.
I lost tower of Pisa to byzantium, I couldn't bribe anyone to war her.

Early religion with 2 nearby religious CS, got DF, pagoda's and tithe. I waited long with reinforce so only got garden happiness and religious texts. Wished for production belief.

I find this map quite difficult. The amount of duplicate luxes to get is very low, so I cannot trade much luxes around for happiness. Culture is also low and I cannot ally cultural CS, the enemy civs keep stealing CS allies.

 

[cocls]

Science Victory at T196
I've recorded videos of this game, and will post link here later. Last 2 turns is missing because my game and obs crashed at T194.

- Did you play peacefully or warlike?
War played a very important role in my game. Totally destroyed Greece, Arabia, Rome.
- How did you use your Great Scientists? How many academies did you plant, and what techs did you bulb?
plant the Writing GS, bulb 1 for Industrialization at 133T, bulb 2 for Plastic at 172T, bulb athor 11 GS after Plastic to finish tech tree
- How many cities did you have in the end and where did you settle them?
self settled 6 and conquered 3 (not including conquered cities for sold)
- What Social Policies did you choose and in what order? Which Ideology did you choose?
Liberty left branch - Traditional opener - finish Liberty + Patronage opener - Rationalism to Secularism - Order to Worker's Faculties - finish Rationalism and Order
- What proposals did you make to the World Congress? Were they passed?
World Fair at first Congress, others are irrelevant.

 

[cocls]

videos

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利_哔哩哔哩bilibili

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利共计9条视频，包括：part1.1、part1.2、part1.3等，UP主更多精彩视频，请关注UP账号。

www.bilibili.com

 

[sebtanic]

videos

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利_哔哩哔哩bilibili

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利共计9条视频，包括：part1.1、part1.2、part1.3等，UP主更多精彩视频，请关注UP账号。

www.bilibili.com

Ok I"ve seen this before at the start of some advanced players" videos:
What is it that you do at the very start of the game with the cursor? It looks like probing the fog in various directions. But why?

 

[cocls]

Ok I"ve seen this before at the start of some advanced players" videos:
What is it that you do at the very start of the game with the cursor? It looks like probing the fog in various directions. But why?

its actually an exploit that allow you to find out if there is an unit in fog of war.
if you try to move your civilian unit into a tile that has another unit, you will find a red circle, even in fog of war.

 

[sebtanic]

Ahh so you find your neighbours!! Nice...

 

[Bolbat]

videos

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利_哔哩哔哩bilibili

文明5 巴比伦内海图科技胜利共计9条视频，包括：part1.1、part1.2、part1.3等，UP主更多精彩视频，请关注UP账号。

www.bilibili.com

Short question: Why in the beginning of the game did you DoW Rome? (was not for the worker steal)
Want to learn advanced tips..

 

[cocls]

Short question: Why in the beginning of the game did you DoW Rome? (was not for the worker steal)
Want to learn advanced tips..

It's to give me a chance to trade my luxury resource with gold through peace treaty

In this game I'm practicing a new strategy proposed in the Chinese community.
the core of this strategy is efficient snowballing.
trading luxury for gold and investing in tile purchasing and city states is a very effecient way to snowballing in early game

 

[Bolbat]

It's to give me a chance to trade my luxury resource with gold through peace treaty

In this game I'm practicing a new strategy proposed in the Chinese community.
the core of this strategy is efficient snowballing.
trading luxury for gold and investing in tile purchasing and city states is a very effecient way to snowballing in early game

Thanks for the answer.
Also, would you always use Liberty/Order instead of Tradition/Freedom for speedrunning the Scientific Victory?

 

[cocls]

Thanks for the answer.
Also, would you always use Liberty/Order instead of Tradition/Freedom for speedrunning the Scientific Victory?

It's actually two independent question.
On Pangaea map (or similar map like this), I now personally believe Liberty is better than Trandition in 90% of the cases for SV.
Liberty provide you a lot of hammers very early, which fits very well with the idea of "early effecient snowballing"

As for Order vs Freedom.
Order usually have higher peak science output because 25% science from Worker's faculties,
and more hammers which turns into more buildings with specialist slots.
Order also requires less number of policy because you can skip the Commerce tree.
the problem of Order is that it require you to have enough number of hammer to produce spaceship parts in time.
So if there is enough hammer I will choose Order, otherwise I will choose Freedom.