UK Election Results 2010

[stormbind]

The Tories seem to be deluded. They.. seem to have forgotten that they are the opposition and have no entitlement to form a minority government whatsoever ..they simply have no constitutional means to form a government.

Their arrogance/ignorance is really startling. However, those qualities are historically associated with the party so at least they are being consistent

Sometimes the British need that kind of leadership. I'm not sure if a time of subtle economic reforms is one of them.

I'm sure the Tory leadership is well aware of..

 

[lithium30]

Plaid Cymru have said they want £300 Million more for Wales in exchange for their support.

Edit: That works out at £100 Million per seat.

 

[stormbind]

Plaid Cymru have said they want £300 Million more for Wales in exchange for their support.

Lab/Con coalition is cheaper

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

How about a Lab/Con coalition?

Their policies are more compatible than Lib/Con.

I imagine many overseas struggle to grasp why this is inconceivable.

Lab/Con coalition is cheaper

I imagine the cleanup costs associated with the universe imploding on itself would be rather large.

 

[stormbind]

Yeah, it would require Conservatives to postpone the scrapping of benefits for children.

I note that the vast majority of new Conservative voters are young and without children.

 

[LightSpectra]

I have to say, I'm appalled by Nick Clegg at the moment. The imbecile gets through every single PMQ by calling Brown a traitor; after the first debate, it appears he's going to win the election sans brain matter; and in the polls, the Libs lose 13 seats. Yet by providence, he's now the most powerful man in the country because he gets to pick which party to form a coalition with.

If it were possible, I'd ask for another election just to purge the Libs from the Commons. Anybody can see that Cameron deserves to be PM.

 

[Munch]

Current seats and percentage of popular vote, sorted by number of seats:

Conservative  					299, 36.2
Labour 						254, 29.1
Liberal Democrat 				54, 22.9
Democratic Unionist Party 			8, 0.6
Scottish National Party 			6, 1.7
Sinn Fein 					4, 0.5
Plaid Cymru 					3, 0.6
Social Democratic & Labour Party 		3, 0.4
Green 						1, 1.0
Alliance Party 					1, 0.1
UK Independence Party  				0, 3.1
British National Party 				0, 1.9
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 	0, 0.4
English Democrats 				0, 0.2
Respect-Unity Coalition 			0, 0.1
Traditional Unionist Voice 			0, 0.1 	
Christian Party 				0, 0.1 	
Independent Community and Health Concern 	0, 0.1
Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition 		0, 0.0 	
Scottish Socialist Party 			0, 0.0
Others 						1, 1.0

If seats (rounded) were allocated simply by percentage of popular vote, sorted by number of seats:

Conservative  					235, 36.2
Labour 						189, 29.1
Liberal Democrat 				149, 22.9
UK Independence Party  				20, 3.1
British National Party 				12, 1.9
Scottish National Party 			11, 1.7
Green 						7, 1.0
Democratic Unionist Party 			4, 0.6
Plaid Cymru 					4, 0.6
Sinn Fein 					3, 0.5
Social Democratic & Labour Party 		3, 0.4
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 	3, 0.4
English Democrats 				1, 0.2
Alliance Party 					1, 0.1
Respect-Unity Coalition 			1, 0.1
Traditional Unionist Voice 			1, 0.1 	
Christian Party 				1, 0.1 	
Independent Community and Health Concern 	1, 0.1
Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition 		0, 0.0 	
Scottish Socialist Party 			0, 0.0
Others 						7, 1.0

Total of 653 that way, although mainly because applying this method to the 'others' as a homogenous block doesn't make much sense.

 

[stormbind]

I have to say, I'm appalled by Nick Clegg at the moment. The imbecile gets through every single PMQ by calling Brown a traitor; after the first debate, it appears he's going to win the election sans brain matter; and in the polls, the Libs lose 13 seats. Yet by providence, he's now the most powerful man in the country because he gets to pick which party to form a coalition with.

If it were possible, I'd ask for another election just to purge the Libs from the Commons. Anybody can see that Cameron deserves to be PM.

Not at all. All governments are strained at time of financial hardship and that is unavoidable. The fact that Labour lost seats is of no surprise to anyone, including hard-line Labour supporters. The fact that LibDems flunked isn't all that shocking because they didn't have popular views on economic reform. There could only be one significant swing to Conservatives.

What is shocking, however, is that Conservatives have failed to win from the financial hardship. The country knows that the Conservatives simply aren't mature enough to take care of national needs. They want to let the wealthiest households have more, while cutting money everywhere else (from banks to children).

So there is really two sets of votes: Conservatives, and anti-Conservatives.

Conservatives benefit from division among the central-left voting majority and Labour lost. However, the anti-Conservatives won (or at least held-on). Lib/Lab represents a perfectly reasonable coalition.

I speculate that purging LibDems would work in Labour's favour and make my argument visibly clear.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

No surprises in Brown's statement, we'll offer the Conservatives time to talk to the LibDems and see if they can come to an agreement, pointing out similarities in Lab/LibDem policy, and promising electoral reform and a referendum on that.

All eyes on Cameron next at 2:30.

EDIT: Nigel Farage loses in his bid to unseat the Speaker, sorry Quackers. Not even his plane crash could help him win.

Why would you sit in a plane that is going to fly a UKIP banner? Why not just get the pilot to do it on his own?

 

[LightSpectra]

Not at all. All governments are strained at time of financial hardship and that is unavoidable. The fact that Labour lost seats is of no surprise to anyone, including hard-line Labour supporters. The fact that LibDems flunked isn't all that shocking because they didn't have strong-enough views on the economy.

What is shocking, however, is that Conservatives have failed to win from the financial hardship. The country knows that the Conservatives simply aren't mature enough to take care of national needs.

So there is really two sets of votes: Conservatives, and anti-Conservatives.

Labour lost, but the anti-Conservatives won. Lib/Lab represents a perfectly reasonable coalition.

It astounds me that anybody thinks Brown should still be in power. Are you there McFly? Have you been paying attention the past half-decade?

The fact that Labour lost so many seats is a telling indication that the country is tired of Brown. A Lib-Labour coalition might pass for the moment (though it falls short of a majority anyway), but that's still political suicide; though Clegg seems dumb enough to go for it so what the hell.

 

[Mise]

A Lib/Lab coalition won't necessarily have Brown as its leader, LightSpectre.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

It astounds me that anybody thinks Brown should still be in power. Are you there McFly? Have you been paying attention the past half-decade?

The fact that Labour lost so many seats is a telling indication that the country is tired of Brown. A Lib-Labour coalition might pass for the moment (though it falls short of a majority anyway), but that's still political suicide; though Clegg seems dumb enough to go for it so what the hell.

I don't think you understand how many people truly despise the Tories in the UK.

 

[stormbind]

It astounds me that anybody thinks Brown should still be in power. Are you there McFly? Have you been paying attention the past half-decade?

The fact that Labour lost so many seats is a telling indication that the country is tired of Brown. A Lib-Labour coalition might pass for the moment (though it falls short of a majority anyway), but that's still political suicide; though Clegg seems dumb enough to go for it so what the hell.

Brown is a fairly elected MP, and he is the fairly selected Labour-leader. He also has the constitutional right to hold the role of PM.

He didn't write those rules and he is playing the game fairly.

The UK does not elect a PM

 

[Mise]

All true Stormbind, but if Brown stays PM and the Lib Dems prop his government up in exchange for self-interested electoral reform, both parties will be thoroughly punished by the electorate next time.

IMO there are only two viable governments right now, a Tory minority or a Lib/Lab minority with a new PM.

 

[lithium30]

I say we print out some more ballot papers and have another election next week.

 

[GinandTonic]

I have to say the chances of Brown remaining PM do seem very slim. The libs are against him personally. Then again, as the jurnos always say, he is a survivor. He's like the big boxer who just wont go down however hard he is beaten. The coalition negotiation could be the referee calling a standing KO.

 

[stormbind]

A Lib/Lab coalition won't necessarily have Brown as its leader, LightSpectre.

While I absolutely agree with the statement, I don't know if the UK could survive a prospective-PM Harriet Harman blaming all political disputes on married-men

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Hmm Cameron offers to compromise and team up with the LibDems. All he's offering is a committee over electoral reform though.

The last few seats should be in soon so we'll see what the final scores are.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Why is Cameron conducting coalition talks live on TV?

I hope Clegg doesn't accept the blatant stalling on electoral reform. The offer of a committee is meaningless.

 

[Mise]

Cameron urges Lib Dems but he should be urging his own party instead. That'll be his biggest obstacle to any deal with the Lib Dems.