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Lion of Lehistan
If you mean installed by Firaxis or whoever is making Civ 4, I haven't bothered to look (too lazy). Then I would have to say maybe the Nazi's, the Knight's of St. John (also known as the Hospitallers).
What civ will NEVER NEVER NEVER be in civ?
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spacedragonblue
Lost in Space
The Yucatan had a breakaway republic for a few years...
Darn Mayans...
Darn Mayans...
bman003
Federation President
Hey I like the idea of texas but yea don't see that happening
sela1s1son
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RoboPig said:the penguins............they will have their revenge
Gives "March of the Penguins" a whole new meaning. Would Tux (Linux reference) be thier UU?
I am the Future
Oi Oi Oi !!!
nepal wont
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Amazon warriors or warriors from the isle of Lesbos. On that note - the Sacred Band from Thebes (the Greek one)
Hellfire
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troytheface said:
I predict that this one will shoot to the top of the most requested civs to add to Civ5... and not because of any historial accuracy
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lol...yes...according to legend the women on lesbos killed their husbands in their sleep after a sexual romp with them- not sure if they had a significant time of independence....
UU- harlot ... leader ..Sappho ..Traits ...Poetic and Castrating
UU- harlot ... leader ..Sappho ..Traits ...Poetic and Castrating
CrazyMrLeo
Wild Child
I don't know, I could see Armenia as a civ. They've certainly been around long enough.
Heav
Warlord
this was good
, look my location.. Do u know Slovakia, member of EU?? yeah we never will be in civ
but our "brother" czechs(yeah we were CzechoSlovakia) were IMPORTANT nation in the Europe, they were under Holy Roman Empire(germany) but they had own King crown and some of their Kings were Emperor of Holy Roman Empire(Karol IV, Zigmund Luzembursky...). They start religion war in europe -> 30years war(1618-1638) and of course they never wil be in civ too
.and many more civs: Lithuana, Bulgaria, Phoenicia(right?), Appaches(Vinetou ->Karl May)
, Polynesians(i heard, they were in America about year 0), Abborigities, Assyrians,Ghana, Hungary(they will be)...Furius
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Polynesians were not in America around the year zero... They weren't even in Polynesia yet, or just barely... They reached Easter Island about 500 to 800 Ad (I think...) and might possibly have been able to get to South America somewhat later.
They reached Hawaii about the same time and New Zealand (The biggest and southernmost of the Polynesian Islands) by 1000.
But they are not a civ, any more than "North American Indians" or "Eastern Europeans" are. They are a culture group.
They reached Hawaii about the same time and New Zealand (The biggest and southernmost of the Polynesian Islands) by 1000.
But they are not a civ, any more than "North American Indians" or "Eastern Europeans" are. They are a culture group.
civaddict098
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what about Vermont, they were their own republic for awhile
joethreeblah
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California VS the world
civaddict098
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was california ever independant from the US?
HourlyDaily
Man-o-Mercy
I'm sure I'm not best qualified to answer, but when California was still controlled by the Spanish it must have been - given that the seperate states were also governed independently (and by England) but I guess thats not what you were on about.
Alternatively it probably will be in a few weeks if Arnie can get the financial backing to make the 2005 breakaway into a film.
Alternatively it probably will be in a few weeks if Arnie can get the financial backing to make the 2005 breakaway into a film.
Kaar
Chieftain
Oh, I'm sorry, but this tread is making me want to smack some skulls around. And before I start up here, I'm fully aware that I'm going to draw a lot of flak for this post. That aside, I shall begin!
First off, you have to think about what actually defines a Civilization. Because of modern day politics and map-drawing, you can't POSSIBLY start naming off countries (Or states, dear Lord) and saying they should be Civs. You have to look at the people that live in those countries before you ever start saying they should be in the game... Because, chances are, they already are.
First example: Any of the modern-day Arabic nations like Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Yeah, these ones are pretty easy, they're the Arabs. Duh. And they very much deserve to be in the game. I mean, they brought us arts, an enourmously influencial religion, and the number zero.
Austrailia, New Zealand: Yup, they're already in Civ. As the Engish. Don't believe me? Well, look back into history. Australia was founded as a British penal colony, for godsake! History lead them off into creating they own nation, but if you take a look, they still very much bear English roots.
Canada: My own home country that, as much as it would be cool to be our own Civ, falls into the same case as the Aussies. We're originally a British/French colony, and still have the roots of that heritage. And nowadays, it almost feels like we've lost cities to the Americans due to culture Anyways, that's why Canada (And Quebec, you fall into this!) won't be a Civ.
America: God, it still peeves be off that these guys are a Civ sometimes. Okay, yes they have had a very major influence on the last 200 years, and yes, that are the worlds only remaining superpower (A fact I loathe every day) But they still started the same way that Canada did, as a series of colonies founded by European nations. BUT, I suppose that the influence they have exerted in those last 200-odd years DOES make them canditate enough... However that does not let someone like...
Texas or the other 49 states: qualify for Civ-status. And don't even get me started on Texan research speed jokes. I have far too many. Anyways, any American state is just that, and while more emphasis is placed on indivdualism of the American states then Canada's provinces, no state is anywhere close to having their own Civ.
The USSR: Okay, I really, honestly do not BELIEVE someone said this! The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the RUSSIANS! They just had a Communist government, that's all! It's not like you would say there should be China and the PRC! Also, places like Latvia, Lithuania, the Ukraine even Poland to an extent, could all be considered 'Russian' (and I am careful about saying that), so they get recognition that way.
Others: Almost any other nation on the map today, especially South American nations, can fit into one of the major European nations of today, really. All of South America is either Spanish or Portugese in culture, language, art, religion... Many African nations also have their political foundings from the Imperialism Age, but culturaly, are from a few major groups. I'll get to those in a sec.
So, what nations SHOULD be in Civ? Well, let's see here, shall we?
Zulu: Hell yeah, Shaka and his buddies should be here. Any nation that nearly defeats the British army at the very height of their power earns a few points in my book. That, and when you're trying to get native Africans into Civ (which you should very much try and do), the Zulu (Or Bantu as they are also called) Another Civ you could have for the Africans is the Kosian's (Which is the predominant group in South Africa, I believe) or the Afrikans themselves. But I would need to to more looking in to that.
Israel: These guys should get way more credit then they do. Depending on your beliefs, they were very much around since 4000 BC. And they are the only culture you can truly say has seen all of history. The Greeks and Turks come very close, but the Israelites have it. Also, the Israeli army was one of the best, having defeated countless armies (when God was on their side), and now, having done it again against rediculous odds against up to 5 arab nations (Yom Kipper war, Six day war, etc.) And their religion gave birth to the largest per-capita religion in the world, Christianity. So influencial? I think so.
Anyways, I cna't see the screen straight now, and my fingers hurt, so I'm going to stop now. But if I took a look though a few history books, I could probably add a few more Civs to to this. Now then let the flame war begin!
First off, you have to think about what actually defines a Civilization. Because of modern day politics and map-drawing, you can't POSSIBLY start naming off countries (Or states, dear Lord) and saying they should be Civs. You have to look at the people that live in those countries before you ever start saying they should be in the game... Because, chances are, they already are.
First example: Any of the modern-day Arabic nations like Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Yeah, these ones are pretty easy, they're the Arabs. Duh. And they very much deserve to be in the game. I mean, they brought us arts, an enourmously influencial religion, and the number zero.
Austrailia, New Zealand: Yup, they're already in Civ. As the Engish. Don't believe me? Well, look back into history. Australia was founded as a British penal colony, for godsake! History lead them off into creating they own nation, but if you take a look, they still very much bear English roots.
Canada: My own home country that, as much as it would be cool to be our own Civ, falls into the same case as the Aussies. We're originally a British/French colony, and still have the roots of that heritage. And nowadays, it almost feels like we've lost cities to the Americans due to culture
Anyways, that's why Canada (And Quebec, you fall into this!) won't be a Civ.America: God, it still peeves be off that these guys are a Civ sometimes. Okay, yes they have had a very major influence on the last 200 years, and yes, that are the worlds only remaining superpower (A fact I loathe every day) But they still started the same way that Canada did, as a series of colonies founded by European nations. BUT, I suppose that the influence they have exerted in those last 200-odd years DOES make them canditate enough... However that does not let someone like...
Texas or the other 49 states: qualify for Civ-status. And don't even get me started on Texan research speed jokes. I have far too many. Anyways, any American state is just that, and while more emphasis is placed on indivdualism of the American states then Canada's provinces, no state is anywhere close to having their own Civ.
The USSR: Okay, I really, honestly do not BELIEVE someone said this! The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the RUSSIANS! They just had a Communist government, that's all! It's not like you would say there should be China and the PRC! Also, places like Latvia, Lithuania, the Ukraine even Poland to an extent, could all be considered 'Russian' (and I am careful about saying that), so they get recognition that way.
Others: Almost any other nation on the map today, especially South American nations, can fit into one of the major European nations of today, really. All of South America is either Spanish or Portugese in culture, language, art, religion... Many African nations also have their political foundings from the Imperialism Age, but culturaly, are from a few major groups. I'll get to those in a sec.
So, what nations SHOULD be in Civ? Well, let's see here, shall we?
Zulu: Hell yeah, Shaka and his buddies should be here. Any nation that nearly defeats the British army at the very height of their power earns a few points in my book. That, and when you're trying to get native Africans into Civ (which you should very much try and do), the Zulu (Or Bantu as they are also called) Another Civ you could have for the Africans is the Kosian's (Which is the predominant group in South Africa, I believe) or the Afrikans themselves. But I would need to to more looking in to that.
Israel: These guys should get way more credit then they do. Depending on your beliefs, they were very much around since 4000 BC. And they are the only culture you can truly say has seen all of history. The Greeks and Turks come very close, but the Israelites have it. Also, the Israeli army was one of the best, having defeated countless armies (when God was on their side), and now, having done it again against rediculous odds against up to 5 arab nations (Yom Kipper war, Six day war, etc.) And their religion gave birth to the largest per-capita religion in the world, Christianity. So influencial? I think so.
Anyways, I cna't see the screen straight now, and my fingers hurt, so I'm going to stop now. But if I took a look though a few history books, I could probably add a few more Civs to to this. Now then let the flame war begin!
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