As I mentioned in the first post, I used 2 swords & 2 catapults to take down 3 pop city & a garrisoned slinger. Still I lost one sword & the other was badly damaged. So healing is definitely fast especially in early stages when you can't field a very big force & catapults already do little damage to cities.
What do you people want in the next patch regarding balance ?
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Only a couple of things spring to my mind atm.
Nukes need some serious balancing. Either make nukes far more expensive to have, have diplomatic repercussions to use, and/or beef up nuke defences such as fighters and add a very late game Civ4-eske SDI national wonder to counter missiles, which requires high maintenance cost and very high hammer cost, plus possibly building prerequisites.
The balance between AI bonuses and intelligence needs work. Essentially, the AI needs fewer bonuses and needs that balanced by being more competent. This would make it play more by the same rules as the player, so it would be limited in the same way the player is by mechanics like happiness.
Nukes need some serious balancing. Either make nukes far more expensive to have, have diplomatic repercussions to use, and/or beef up nuke defences such as fighters and add a very late game Civ4-eske SDI national wonder to counter missiles, which requires high maintenance cost and very high hammer cost, plus possibly building prerequisites.
The balance between AI bonuses and intelligence needs work. Essentially, the AI needs fewer bonuses and needs that balanced by being more competent. This would make it play more by the same rules as the player, so it would be limited in the same way the player is by mechanics like happiness.
Roto-Router
Chieftain
A lot more work on diplomacy is needed, and I would love it if the devs removed the diplo penalties for the AI that "thinks you are trying to win the game in the same manner as" them. Really, it just breaks immersion to be reminded explicitly that you are playing a game.
Add diplomatic bonuses for stable trade agreements with an AI, so that it is possible to form alliance blocs.
Nerf down the effects of both the DoF and denunciations. "Interests" (trade relations, etc.) and treaty obligations (Defense Pact) trump friendship every time in real life.
Adjust the functionality of WarmongerHate so that AIs don't hate you when you go to war at their request, or to defend them, or against their traditional enemies. If you're too successful in this sort of war, though, add a diplo penalty for an AI that fears you are trying to achieve global hegemony through war.
Adopt some ideas from the City-State Diplomacy mod, so that CS alliances aren't simply a competition for gold.
Add diplomatic bonuses for stable trade agreements with an AI, so that it is possible to form alliance blocs.
Nerf down the effects of both the DoF and denunciations. "Interests" (trade relations, etc.) and treaty obligations (Defense Pact) trump friendship every time in real life.
Adjust the functionality of WarmongerHate so that AIs don't hate you when you go to war at their request, or to defend them, or against their traditional enemies. If you're too successful in this sort of war, though, add a diplo penalty for an AI that fears you are trying to achieve global hegemony through war.
Adopt some ideas from the City-State Diplomacy mod, so that CS alliances aren't simply a competition for gold.
Jewman
Prince
Since they seem to be taking baby steps towards fixing AI diplomacy, i would suggest what someone else said about warmongering diplomacy: the AI should be able to recognize when your fighting a defensive war, when your conquering another civ because they refuse to surrender, and when another civ wants you to declare war and you agree. It's also not fair that when you help out a friend and conquer his enemy like he asked you to, he gets annoyed and hates you all of a sudden. I know people argue the Cold War idea to justify that, like how US and Russia met at Berlin and suddenly hated each other (although of course it wasn't REALLY sudden) but nevertheless it seems rather severe in-game to be rewarded for helping a friend with a denouncement from him...
ive found now that i play pangaea instead of continents that civs definitely align between good guys and bad guys at the very beginning then sometime in the late middle ages they all turn on each other and destroy thousands of years of collaboration over something dumb. thats really annoying also...
I like that they added the little pop up screen that shows why a civ hates or loves you but thats really similar to civ4, why not just bring that system back entirely... everyone likes it better...
i do not like that the civs get upset that your trying to win the same way as they are. or at least that it occurs in the classical and medieval era. i doubt theyre gonna remove that since they seem commited to making the computers act like human players (sorta), so i suggest that the option to be upset over that not be available till the industrial era or until a country has researched a certain tech like, military science or scientific method i really dont know. i would say nationalism, but thats not a tech anymore but thats my thought process behind that.
anyways. i dunno. lets keep improving the AI diplomacy slowly and steadily. of course you could just fix it all at once and get it over with but thats not gonna happen so im ready to settle for that.
last patch was good in general tho.
ive found now that i play pangaea instead of continents that civs definitely align between good guys and bad guys at the very beginning then sometime in the late middle ages they all turn on each other and destroy thousands of years of collaboration over something dumb. thats really annoying also...
I like that they added the little pop up screen that shows why a civ hates or loves you but thats really similar to civ4, why not just bring that system back entirely... everyone likes it better...
i do not like that the civs get upset that your trying to win the same way as they are. or at least that it occurs in the classical and medieval era. i doubt theyre gonna remove that since they seem commited to making the computers act like human players (sorta), so i suggest that the option to be upset over that not be available till the industrial era or until a country has researched a certain tech like, military science or scientific method i really dont know. i would say nationalism, but thats not a tech anymore but thats my thought process behind that.
anyways. i dunno. lets keep improving the AI diplomacy slowly and steadily. of course you could just fix it all at once and get it over with but thats not gonna happen so im ready to settle for that.
last patch was good in general tho.
Vladesch
Warlord
I'd like to see the AI personality made a bit more normal.
I'm sick of having people on "friendly" suddenly declare war on me for absolutely no reason.
And it's not like just occasionally. I have like 4 or 5 friendly nations all declare war within the space of about 5 turns.
Wouldn't worry me so much if they treated each other with the same contempt, but I'm sure the human player gets singled out.
It was the same in civ4. Sick and tired of the AI conspiracy.
I'm sick of having people on "friendly" suddenly declare war on me for absolutely no reason.
And it's not like just occasionally. I have like 4 or 5 friendly nations all declare war within the space of about 5 turns.
Wouldn't worry me so much if they treated each other with the same contempt, but I'm sure the human player gets singled out.
It was the same in civ4. Sick and tired of the AI conspiracy.
KrikkitTwo
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So they should be melee? or do you mean 6:c5ranged:1. Catapults should be 6, double vs. cities. Remove the iron requirement.
2. Trebuchets should be reworked in a similar fashion.
3. Ballistae should have higher base
In which case I agree
I agree
Maybe the Instant Heal, and the Medic promotion.
Keep the "March/Repair" promotions.
and then have a Field Hospital with the "Medic" promotion
nice but not necessary6. Increase pikemen basecost to match the new strength.
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Like both of those ideas, especially for Tanks7. Cavalry should have 4.
8. Tanks should have slightly higher
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I'd also give Knights and Cavalry +2 strength (and an increase in costs)
Agree
Atomic Bombs should be interceptable without any wonder
I can see it for Nuclear Missiles, but the National Wonder should be in the Future Era (on the Peace Path)
The resourse requirement seems fine.. name is a taste rather than balancing
Well I'd stick with the Prerequisites (partially to give them a reason).. but otherwise I agree
others are AI issues
Save_Ferris
Admiring Myself
The Ottomans should have +50% Production while building naval units. And a unique building to replace one of their dismal units.
Save_Ferris
Admiring Myself
I agree- you should be able to friendly request things instead of demand them. Also, remove bribes and make an economic victory based on trade routes. And also, include more updates on Korean localization- it improves the game dramatically.
More agressive city states would be nice, i wish city states would attack more. Also Turkey needs a uu and ub for more interesting game play. turkeys Sp could be 50 + power for all gun powder resources and one plus science per city.
Also the chinese even after post patch still need a little bit more of a down grade. Those cho cu nos along with the paper maker, in a pretty close era should makes for one easy seige. I remeber one game i played where i demolished every empire (about 4) on my contenent in roughly 100 turns as china, it was only on prince though.
Still the most annoying and i think over powered civ on multiplayer is mongolia, simply becuase of there uu can basicly attack and flee with out taking damage. That and with honers free general (khan). Then they can steam roll anyone.
Some civs uu ua ubs po me becuase of how late they come in the game like americas special units, not very usefull in modern era becuase most of the times the game is already won.
I think japan is underpowered, though they have the one good unit the samuri, (the zero to late to be worth any thing). And there ua is a little useless unless its a sucicide attack that will be used when your unit is doomed as a last resort.
Also the chinese even after post patch still need a little bit more of a down grade. Those cho cu nos along with the paper maker, in a pretty close era should makes for one easy seige. I remeber one game i played where i demolished every empire (about 4) on my contenent in roughly 100 turns as china, it was only on prince though.
Still the most annoying and i think over powered civ on multiplayer is mongolia, simply becuase of there uu can basicly attack and flee with out taking damage. That and with honers free general (khan). Then they can steam roll anyone.
Some civs uu ua ubs po me becuase of how late they come in the game like americas special units, not very usefull in modern era becuase most of the times the game is already won.
I think japan is underpowered, though they have the one good unit the samuri, (the zero to late to be worth any thing). And there ua is a little useless unless its a sucicide attack that will be used when your unit is doomed as a last resort.
I'd really like to see them make the German and Ottoman UA much better.
Also, they should really make the Iroquois better. Just making jungle also count in all of their unique stuff would be good. Crazy idea = All forests should count as roads for them?
Also, they should really make the Iroquois better. Just making jungle also count in all of their unique stuff would be good. Crazy idea = All forests should count as roads for them?
I disagree with that. Japan UA is very powerful. Your 1HP archer will do full damage & finishing your warriors off would cause very heavy losses to enemy unit which attacked you. Their UA also helps in capturing cities.
I do think though, that they should replace the zero with an UB, but I doubt they will listen to me.
Naval & Air UUs are hardly useful with few exceptions.
Perhaps they could be made usefull by giving them some something unique, rather than just a strength/movement/range increase.
Ships that do +50% or more damage when bombarding cities. Zero has two actions per turn, etc.
Main thing still needing to be fixed if tactical AI and naval AI imo.
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