What you HATE in DOC?
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agentxorange
Warlord
Yeah, or if you want to try to survive as the Persians you pretty much have to because of the Seljuk spawn. If we're talking in terms of the UHV only, Parsa is a better location (Iron is right there, good surrounding resources) but the early food production is too low.
It shouldn't be cranking out the food though, Persia was never extremely fertile.
It shouldn't be cranking out the food though, Persia was never extremely fertile.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
What do I hate?
That so much has changed since I've last been here.
And that Canada and Polynesia came before Turkestan.
That so much has changed since I've last been here.
And that Canada and Polynesia came before Turkestan.
Of course, but situations where it almost becomes unfeasible to work an iron tile if you want to continue growing should be rectified.
JustAnotherNerd
Warlord
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That settling on a resource does not provide full yield anymore, it's really terrible. Was such an awesome feature of the mod.
And ofcource bugs, endless bugs of subversion. Have no idea how people are saying "Oh, it's just CTD'ed and I stopped to play" lol
And ofcource bugs, endless bugs of subversion. Have no idea how people are saying "Oh, it's just CTD'ed and I stopped to play" lol
It is because some players exploited it into supercities like that infamous in South Africa, so Leoreth decided to punish everybody instead of modding terrain a bit on certain supercities enabling locations.
Assuming that is actually possible.
ales_
Heir
Nevermind.
Yeah, never mind.
ales_
Heir
The latter.
It represents the independence of the Papal State until the 19th century, when Italian core expands itself over the whole peninsula.
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
The Italian core expands upon the beginning of the industrial era to cover the entire peninsula. Until then, you're stuck with northern Italy.
MedicInDisquise
Chieftain
Until then, I do believe all of the boot is at least historical so your stability won't plummet if you decide to reunite Italy 900 or so years beforehand.
Well then the Italy spawn should be much later because right now it doesn't make any sense. Northern Italy was not united either they were constantly fighting each other so why is that core area and Rome and Southern Italy is not? And the game wants you to make Florence your capital that also make no sense to me and that city placement is terrible. This whole thing just confuses me. Why not have the Venetian Republic and then Italy spawn in 19th century?
Shadow Warlord
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I've been a fan of a later Italian spawn myself. The first two UHV goals work fine, but controlling 65% of the Mediterranean is problematic (unless it's still by 1930, in which case everyone does it super early anyway). Otherwise, you normally deal with a strong Ottoman Empire to your east as well as France & Spain to the west, and Holy Rome to your north. Italy just does not have the production power to compete with all of those civs, especially when you get to the later eras and units like Riflemen are more expensive, and you'll most likely never get to use your UU. Plus your starting army only comprises of something like 4 crossbowman and 3 pikes & trebuchets each. That's hardly a force to unite Italy with, and it won't do you much good on defense either.
MedicInDisquise
Chieftain
I do agree with both of y'all; I'd suggest giving Italy some breathing room on the sea if they ever want to complete their third UHV. In theory, Venetia is supposed to give you that breathing room but often times enemy territory stands in the way of leaving that little sea. Maybe a bit more ports downside or encourage the HRE and Byzantine to settle on the coast to add further incentive to declare independence wars on both of them.
