While We Wait: The Next Generation
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~Darkening~
Weep, Mother.
.....Haven't I already warned you people about not repenting? I mean, we suffer once, we suffer twice, now we suffer thrice; when exactly does this lesson begin to kick in? Any otherwise, I feel compelled to note that aside older movies, B or C movies aren't that great.
Ace of Gold
MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY
There is a reason why they are B and not A. Because they suck. Or to say it like a Critic would, Its very unpleasant to watch
WRONG.
Lots of sleeper hits are B movies! And anyway, some B movies are great. Here's a nonexhaustive list:
Invasion of the Body Snatchers; The Blob; The Dawn of the Dead; Drunken Wu Tang; The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
They're silly, and maybe they suck, but that's part of why they're fun to watch.
Also, Machete.
Israelite9191
You should be reading
And moving back to NESing topics so as to avoid this thread being closed like all the others.....
I'm currently working on a more dynamic form of BT.
I'm still trying to figure out how to have players frame their orders to suit the different focus of not being a nation but a culture or a grouping of nations... I'm partially sold on the idea of applying a reasonableness test
- Player Instrument 1: Focuses on the institutions of the 'culture' over a significant period of time.
- Player Instrument 2: For key events deriving from player orders, the player
involved will be consulted. The possibility exists that one key event might trigger a new one as well.
I'm still trying to figure out how to have players frame their orders to suit the different focus of not being a nation but a culture or a grouping of nations... I'm partially sold on the idea of applying a reasonableness test
- with the possible precedent for the decision being supplied [not essential just helpful];
- he likelihood of the institutional change in a given 'culture' or 'nation'; and
- some likely consequences.
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Have you thought about structuring BT orders so players have a limited number of paths to follow during the BT?
Cultural expansion
Cultural influence
Military expansion
Military strength
Economic growth
Religious expansion
Religious influence
etc.
Then a player would allocate resources across the paths in proportion to what his goals were. For each path that bears a significant amount of resources, specific milestones could be noted. then when you do the BT if a milestone is reached, then it becomes a node that allows new events or effects.
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
The problem with that is that it makes BTs take much longer to process, as there needs to be a process of back-and-forth between the players. This isn't necessarily a bad thing--but if a BT is meant to be a quick-and-dirty jumpstarting of the NES to a more interesting period, this probably isn't the way to go.
Personally, I'd say just make it a different NES altogether like I'm doing with Times for Heroes. Do a new thread for the new age, take a lot of time to really work out the exact ramifications of the different choices a player makes within the NES, in addition to the "orders" they give for the boring times. Questions I'd ask would be:
"what would this protracted war(s) to this nation's society?"
"This nation has had a multitude of governments within this NES, what would that do for the long-term stability of that society?"
And so on, taking into account the effects upon culture due to the events of the "Interesting Times." Like jalapeno says though, if you just want a quick fix, this would not be the way to go.
"what would this protracted war(s) to this nation's society?"
"This nation has had a multitude of governments within this NES, what would that do for the long-term stability of that society?"
And so on, taking into account the effects upon culture due to the events of the "Interesting Times." Like jalapeno says though, if you just want a quick fix, this would not be the way to go.
So it comes down to "purpose". If one has a particular purpose for the BT (or game), then one can create the structures necessary to support it. Begin with the end in mind.
jalapeno_dude
AKA Panda Judo Eel
Yes. Masada's "dynamic BTs" are more suited to a SymNES or Daft's Alternate Timeline Building Experiment, where rapid progression and heavy player input are both desired.
I believe it is undesirable for a mod to have a 'purpose' in mind, it can lead to forced outcomes. I'm happy to just setup the scene for whenever it is the 'BT' ends, which would largely be left up to the players. I would be willing to go to shorter turns with more statistical data but with known institutions when they want it.
This I hope will give players a grounding in both the limitations of whatever state it is they choose institutionally wise and give it a history to work from. Statistics will be increased as well so players can make discrete apportioned decisions based on income or whatever as well.
The net aim is to give the intangible elements a bit of a flogging
I don't really want to have people focus in one particular area. I will however have institution 'points' which will limit the player a little bit. Most institutions will be multi disciplinary anyway, I've settled on a vertical separation instead of a horizontal separation if that makes sense.
It's a 'BT' in inverted comma's its meant to cover a broad sweep of time, but not necessarily in a quick-and-dirt style. It will be more time consuming, but I've accepted that.
Daft didn't focus on institutions and covered a period of history far quicker than I would, he also accepted minimal player input which is fine, he ended up with a solid approximation of what I want, a dynamic history.
SymNES was the opposite means of going about what I'm going to do, it was very numerically statistically orientated, mine will be heavy on text and light on numerical statistics.
Essentially EQ that is what I will be doing, the main difference is I will be looking at the institutions that underpin the result of a protracted war, or institutions which might feed internal political instability.
I shall initially be focusing on a geographically isolated region for a dry run just to test the ruleset and to refine it if necessary. I can then expand it to other regions if I should feel so inclined. This will be a 'cradle' with the possibility of other cradles either being already developed for interaction, or to be created relying on the fact that the initial cradle will have minimal influence on the others due to its isolation.
This I hope will give players a grounding in both the limitations of whatever state it is they choose institutionally wise and give it a history to work from. Statistics will be increased as well so players can make discrete apportioned decisions based on income or whatever as well.
The net aim is to give the intangible elements a bit of a flogging
I don't really want to have people focus in one particular area. I will however have institution 'points' which will limit the player a little bit. Most institutions will be multi disciplinary anyway, I've settled on a vertical separation instead of a horizontal separation if that makes sense.
It's a 'BT' in inverted comma's its meant to cover a broad sweep of time, but not necessarily in a quick-and-dirt style. It will be more time consuming, but I've accepted that.
Daft didn't focus on institutions and covered a period of history far quicker than I would, he also accepted minimal player input which is fine, he ended up with a solid approximation of what I want, a dynamic history.
SymNES was the opposite means of going about what I'm going to do, it was very numerically statistically orientated, mine will be heavy on text and light on numerical statistics.
Essentially EQ that is what I will be doing, the main difference is I will be looking at the institutions that underpin the result of a protracted war, or institutions which might feed internal political instability.
I shall initially be focusing on a geographically isolated region for a dry run just to test the ruleset and to refine it if necessary. I can then expand it to other regions if I should feel so inclined. This will be a 'cradle' with the possibility of other cradles either being already developed for interaction, or to be created relying on the fact that the initial cradle will have minimal influence on the others due to its isolation.
Pre-NESes are only valid in an AFS sense. All others are vile abominations.
Have fun finding one of those.
Symphony D.
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Retroactive deletion.
I did not mean "purpose" as an outcome, but rather a role it is to play in the larger game. If your purpose was to create cultural links between the "before" and the "after" times, then the BT should be structured to produce those and the player options geared towards choices that produce those cultural connections. In the same way if you wanted a BT that would change the map borders substantially and bereak down old empires, then the BT order structure could focus on options that encouraged players to include lots of military action in their orders. That does not detemine what the outcomes are, just that they will most liklely produce the desired effect on the map.
A BT is really just a mini game within the larger game that has its own set of rules. Those rules don't determine the outcome of the BT anymore that the main game rules detrermine the outcome of that game; the BT rules just guide it between the IT portions and provide the continuity desired by the Mod.
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