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Why American Conservatives should Be Wary of Conservative Judges

JollyRoger

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You think USA #1 and Europe is, well, not #1?

Do you hate government regulation?

Do you despise too much power in the hands of the Feds?

Do you like all of the Bill of Rights, including the 7th Amendment?

Do you think you should be able to have your grievances heard in a Court of Law?

Then consider these cornerstones of modern "conservative" jurisprudence:

1. Europeanization of Federal Courts

The jury trial at the Federal level has been disappearing over time. Virtually every case that is filed gets a moton for summary judgement made (meaning the case can get dismissed by the judge reading paperwork in his chambers, with no live testimony of witnesses and no jury trial). Guess what kind of judge is more likely to rule in favor of a motion for summary judgment and uphold such a decision on appeal?

Now, thanks to 2 key Supreme Court decisions made over the past few years (with primarily Conservative justices in the majority and libruls in the minority), cases are much easier to get rid of at the outset by another method - with a motion to dismiss. This occurs before the bringer of the lawsuit gets a shot at developing his case through the discovery process (asking for such things as admissions, documents, and depositoion testimony). Again, the judge is reading paperwork in his office rather than sitting at the bench overseeing a jury trial. Guess where this method of papershuffling judging is the standard? Europe. So next time you hear someone whining about some librul justice dropping a reference to foreign law into an opinion, ask why conservative judges are moving our system towards the European model procedurally.

2. With litigation weakened, regulation becomes the remedy

If you get a series of wrongs that can't be remedied by litigation, guess what happens? That's right - regulaton by the government. Instead of individual plaintiffs, aided by a jury of the litigants' peers coming to what is the right thing, we get an increase of bureaucrats filling the void. If people felt they had a remedy down at the courthouse, the push for regulation may not be so intense. As the jury trial has moved towards extinction, regulation has increased significantly.

3. The pre-emption doctrine takes things out of the hands of state & local governments and puts them in the hands of the Feds

Conservative judges love to find that a Federal law pre-empts state and local law and that litigants may only pursue remedies under Federal law and not state law. This is even when Federal statutes do not clearly indicate a pre-emptive purpose. If you think the government has no power to regulate health care, how do the Feds possibly have the power to regulate medical malpractice lawsuits between a doctor and patient located in the same state? The conservative judges think more often than not that the Feds have taken over the field (in a lot of areas of law). And that puts you in EurpupeanFederal Court and slashes your state and local laws off the books in favor of Federal laws.

4. The 7th Amendment is becoming less and less forceful

7th Amendment said:
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

The civil jury trial is disappearing. Not only do we have the problem listed in #1, but we have more and more statutes that deprive a potential litigant of a jury trial and have a massive boom in arbitration boilerplate in contracts that allow corporations to avoid facing We the People in an actual courtroom. Conservative judges are much open to a statute covering a cause of action rather than the cause being covered by common law and much more friendly to arbitration agreements.

People may like this because they think juries are untrustworthy. But if that is the case, why is it still the standard to have juries determine life and death in criminal cases? Should we move towards a more European model there? Also, you only hear about the outliers on jury trials and not the many that end up with sensible results. You also rarely hear of that crazy jury verdict that gets reduced or reversed on appeal, even though that is what happens with most of the outliers that make the news. The disappearance of the jury trial (at the Federal and the state level) means that it is less like that you will get to exercise your right to decide a dispute between your peers. It is some judge in chambers, some regulator, or some arbitration shill for a cartel of artificial corporate entities.

5. So you see a wrong and you want to sue - get ready for a court to knock you on your butt and tell you you don't have standing

The standing doctrine is a line of jurisprudence that has, over time, been used by conservative judges to keep litigants out of court. It basically says that you, as a party, do not have standing to sue because (usually) you are not facing a particularized harm. I'll concede that it may have gotten its start with more liberal judges back in the 1920's, but it really got rolling in the 1970's to keep environmental activists out of court and today it is embraced by conservative justices with liberals usually in dissent.

Today, it is fun sport to watch most birther cases tossed on standing. The birthers are so cute in their habit of spefically targeting a conservative judge or justice to consider their case. They would be better off of going to a liberal judge or justice, based on typical jurisprudence on standing.

Now, you ay say, JR, environmental crazies and birthers should not be allowed to pursue their cases. Well consider the case of the birthers - they have not really gotten a smackdown on the merits and keep filing case after case. Why not give them standing in a case and give them one swift kick on the merits? Even let a jury of their peers give them that kick. And what about the health care bill. You want that stopped, right? Well, if you sued as an individual, you would get kicked out of court faster than you could make it to the friont of the line at the DMV. The litigants that do have standing? Government officials and maybe artificial entities (corporations). You think those institutions are going to be paying for insurance or paying the penalty under the health care law? No - you are. Yet they have standing to sue and you don't.

Just food for thought. Enjoy the feast.
 
Return power to the people, support jury nullification!
Yet another tool from the framing era that has been diluted:
If someone stands outside a federal court, day after day, telling would-be jurors to ignore the law if they don’t agree with it, might that be considered a federal crime?

Apparently federal prosecutors in New York think so, according to this story in Friday’s NYT.

Federal prosecutors recently indicted a 78-year-old man named Julian Heicklen, who had spent the better part of the last two years outside the federal courthouse in lower Manhattan and other courthouses telling jurors to “render verdicts based on conscience.” The charge: jury tampering. According to the story, Heicklen is set to appear in court on Friday for a conference in his case.

Heicklen told the NYT that he never tries to influence specific jurors or cases, and instead gives his brochures to passers-by, hoping that jurors are among them.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/02/25/jury-nullifcation-advocate-legal-advocate-or-criminal/

You certainly can't get a jury instruction and question on nullification - believe me, I have tried.
 
Who would want to spend 20 years doing that? He should probably be checked out by a psychiatrist.
 
For the same reasons that the same posters spend hours arguing with each other on the same topics in this very forum.
 
This is all very interesting, but I would like to ask

2. With litigation weakened, regulation becomes the remedy

I would say this has been a trend in the UK since the 1870's or so!(UK government of the last 30 years or so, have been devoted to this idea). Is this a total change of outlook in the US, or just a similar trend that has being gathering strength of late? What is your biggest concern about this?

You certainly can't get a jury instruction and question on nullification - believe me, I have tried.

Were you in a jury at the time, What happened?
 
I would say this has been a trend in the UK since the 1870's or so!(UK government of the last 30 years or so, have been devoted to this idea). Is this a total change of outlook in the US, or just a similar trend that has being gathering strength of late? What is your biggest concern about this?
It's a trend in the U.S> However, there is also a trend to close the courthouse and especially the abiliy to get to a jury. Thus, without the credible threat of private litigants keeping wrongdoers in line, the solution becomes, out of practical necessity, to pile on more regulation.
Were you in a jury at the time, What happened?
Defense lawyer where a nullification instruction would have been the best hope of fending off over-zealous prosecution.
 
wow, so they wanna put an old guy in a cage because he asks people to vote their conscience

the politicians want to remove us from the process the Framers envisioned as the last check on power in our system of checks and balances
 
:(

now what about John Adams? He defended somebody who criticized the King basically asking jurors to ignore the law and acquit based on conscience, then he becomes Prez and signs into law the alien & sedition act.

:crazyeye:
 
A lot can change in 30+ years.
 
It's a trend in the U.S> However, there is also a trend to close the courthouse and especially the abiliy to get to a jury. Thus, without the credible threat of private litigants keeping wrongdoers in line, the solution becomes, out of practical necessity, to pile on more regulation.

So, would you say that the regulations are ineffective, compared to civil proceedings? is this because the way they are drawn up, (that they are biased towards the defendent, perhaps) or is it something fundamental about the nature of regulations themselves (that they are too inflexible, for example)?

Defense lawyer where a nullification instruction would have been the best hope of fending off over-zealous prosecution

Oh, I thought Cutlass was the lawyer! The pirate theme may have confused me. :blush:
So the judge stopped you from informing the jury about the principle of nullification!
I don't think the idea's exactly promoted over here, either.:lol:
 
So, would you say that the regulations are ineffective, compared to civil proceedings? is this because the way they are drawn up, (that they are biased towards the defendent, perhaps) or is it something fundamental about the nature of regulations themselves (that they are too inflexible, for example)?
Conservatives here complain about regulation, so the regulation point is aimed at them showing that a watered-down ability of private parties to right wrongs means that the nanny state steps in via regulation.
 
Regulations are actually better for many aspects of keeping people from screwing over others. But the US has always lagged in writing effective regulations and enforcing them properly. The theory behind that was that it was better to sue than to have regulations. But conservatives have worked for decades to take away the right to sue as well, because sometimes lawsuits will come out with the correct verdict.

The goal of conservatives is to have no private property and rights at all. Both regulations and lawsuits are ways to protect life, property, and rights. And that is why conservatives oppose both.
 
To a "true libertarian" or conservative person who wants "limited government" or whatever, a robust jury/tort system would be the main way people enforce property rights. Which is why "tort reform" and all the rest is such a huge tip-off that someone is not a "conservative" or a "libertarian" as much they as they are merely interested in decreasing the potential liability of big corporate offenders. AKA a corporate shill backed by the deep pockets and the big name white shoe defense firms that represent them.
 
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