and try keeping a unit by their capitals to cap their settlers when they come out, and a permanent war siphons their hammers into making legions and crap
keeping a thumb on their cities keeps them in the stone age while ur cities in the back make a million wonders
the key is using leonardos workshop to fight a defensive war, they will send legions at your engineers and stuff, i usually get rifles with 97.5 defense in the front line citys,
NEVER GIVE INTO DEMANDS
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