Celtic Mod 3.0 Final Release

[antaine]

I'll be looking into it nonetheless...I'm also debating whether or not to include the mod that enables epic and marathon speeds...given the opportunity, I'd like to include both in the future, but no promises on any of that...

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Something is wrong with how the AI is founding cities. In my Celtic conquest game currently, the Mongols, Aztecs, Russia, Japan and Turkey (usually quite prolific city builders) have not built any new cities at all. The Incans still just have their capital when I found them in 1310 (usually they have at least 3 cities).
It makes my conquest game almost trivial in terms of conquest.
Also, the Quechua has not been promoted like Rhye did.
And why is Nationalism placed in front of Representation?

 

[antaine]

That's very peculiar. I didn't touch anything relating to those civs or skills.

Has anybody else noticed problems like this? Are you sure you're comparing the mod to Rhye's latest version (I haven't played any previous version of his, but I know they were out there)?

 

[rapharalho]

***newest version v3.1
the file v3.1
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b08cf59/n/RFC_with_Celts_v31.zip
see changelog later in this thread
***

Well, here it is, RFC with Celts 3.0, final release. There may be updates down the road as Rhye updates RFC, but this is essentially in its final form.

THE FILE v3.0:
(download link at the bottom of the page)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b05acc2/n/RFC_with_Celts_v3.zip



PURPOSE:
This mod enables a player to take control of the Celts, who are now a complete civ with three UHVs and all the trappings of the others. This was done at the expense of playable Carthaginians, but there you have it.



HISTORICAL JUSTIFICATION:
It may seem odd that I chose to start the Celts in Ireland, when it is on the Continent that they are most known during the ancient period. There are several reasons for this, and it is not as historically inaccurate as it might first appear.

First, the reasoning: this was of necessity. Starting the Celts in Gaul or Iberia made it virtually impossible for even a human player to survive. The way the medieval civs spawn would virtually necessitate even a human player moving their capital to Ireland in order to survive. As there is a penalty for moving your capital, I figured it was best simply to start the Celts where they would eventually need to be centered.

Besides that, starting them in Switzerland virtually insured prevention of the Roman Empire from forming. For this reason, independent and barbarian city spawns have been used on the Continent (with Gallic Warriors) to reflect their presence as independent Celtic tribes. The English (Saxons) are not started in Germany and expected to recreate the migration to Britain, nor the Franks started east of the Rhine and expected to invade Gaul, so why make the Celts migrate from Switzerland to Gaul to Iberia and then the Isles? In reality, the only major Continental population of Celts is in Brittany, which is not a remnant of Gaul, but a recolonization back from Britain (hence the name, "Bretagne").

When the Celts spawn, 820BC, they were indeed present not only on the Continent, but Ireland and Britain as well. The fact that they are most known on the Continent during the ancient period is a reflection on the limited perspective of our surviving sources' authors more than actual Celtic presence in a particular place outside Roman and Greek borders. Setting the capital in Ireland marks a shift in focus of narrative location rather than an idiosyncrasy. Indeed, some historians argue that proto-Celts and Basques comprise Europe's aboriginal peoples, and some geneticists studying the population in southern and western Ireland (as well as the Basque country) reveal a pattern of initial migration - in other words, the people there now are direct descendants of the original people to settle those locations, even in the face of numerous invasions and migrations throughout the rest of the continent.

Ireland is today the only free and independent Celtic country. Brian Boroimhe's consolidation of power (such as it was) as Árd Rí Éireann (High King) was as close as any collection of Celtic kingdoms or tribes came to cultural and political unification until Ireland's independence in the modern age. There was some Scottish unification, but this was outlived by Irish kingdoms' independence and Scotland was the result of Irish (Gaelic) expansion into northern Britain in the wake of Roman withdrawal from the south in the first place. The selection of Tara, the seat of Ireland's High Kingship, as the Celtic capital is therefore a symbolic starting point for someone trying to unify the Celts and keep them unconquered into the present day. After all, it is London that is most associated with the position of being England's capital, even though Winchester should be the capital in the early stages to maintain historical accuracy.

I have tried not to make concessions for the Celts that Rhye himself did not make for at least one (and preferably two or three) other civilzation(s). Far from overpowering my favorite civ, I have actually been fairly strict and therefore many may find that playing the Celts is harder than other civs both in terms of UHVs and competition with their neighbors. In the end, the Celts were not able to survive English (and others') expansion due to disunity, and only "respawned" as a politically independent entity in the early twentieth century. Trying to buck history should be hard. Other "unconsolidated" civs were given a place in RFC (the Vikings, the Russians, and others), so it's not that outrageous that the Celts could be as well. All civs were given two UHVs they achieved in history and one they never managed to...this is true for the Celts as well...the one they never managed to accomplish amounts to surviving past the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 (1700 to achieve the UHV) without losing any cities to the Romans, Vikings or English. The others, sacking Rome by 410 and colonizing the British Isles, Gaul and northern Spain reflect actual historical events.



CREDITS:
In no way can I take all the credit for this. Rhye did all the hard work of putting together the original (in all senses of the word) mod and Baldyr provided massive help as I was learning python, walking me through some of the changes I needed to make and coding some innovative features himself. usi developed the holy-city-moving-when-razed mod, which I also incorporated early on.




CHANGES:
There have been some changes to maps, resources, spawns in the name of balance. The Celts needed room, especially since they would be besieged by several major civs in the Middle Ages (depending on how the human player decides to pursue UHVs, the Celts will see the Spanish, French, Romans and English all trying to take major bites out of their territory in a very short period of time. Because of this, the Celts spawn in Ireland and expand back to the Continent (if following the UHVs). The AI invariably uses it's extra settlers to colonize Gaul, and culturally acquires 1-3 spawned cities in Britain as well as 2-3 in Ireland (including the capital). The human player, of course, can do anything they like, including founding the capital on a different tile and/or using units to prevent some or all of the Independent spawns.

The Carthaginians are now a minor civ.

The English base name has been made "Saxon" instead of "Briton," who were actually Celts

The patch that moves a holy city that has been razed to another city has been applied.

There have been map changes - some resources, minor changes to the eastern US and selected islands, and a noticeable increase in size for Britain and Ireland (which now needs to accommodate two competing major civs).

There have also been changes to settler and war maps, England's core area, city name maps and additions to the dynamic naming.

There have been changes to the English spawn as they are only provided with one settler (for London). The reason for this is twofold: first, the AI was using the others to colonize Scandinavia and Russia; second, Britain will now be full of 2-4 Celtic and Independent cities (plus London), and opportunity to expand to three more in Ireland (fairly easy after a Celtic collapse). In other words, until they are ready to colonize the Americas, Africa and Australia, the English don't need any more right off the bat.

There have been some changes to the Civilopedia.

Some art scaling has been altered. (if you don't like this, you can just replace Civ4ArtDefines_Unit.xml with a copy of Rhye's original file of the same name and the units will be the size you're used to. It's in Assets/XML/Art)

Time victory has been removed.

Some changes in city spawns and city reallocation (in the name of balance and historical accuracy) have been made to ensure proper expansion of the Vikings, Russians, English, Americans and Romans when controlled by the AI.

Some religious preferences have been changed to produce (roughly) historically accurate religious populations by the Middle Ages.

I think saxons is not very right but it should be angles or anglosaxons

 

[Robdude66]

So far this is a really fun mod, I started playing last night and I am up to 590 AD as the Celts.

Having the 1 Iberian, 4 British, and 2 Gaulish cities is ridiculously easy, and so is the capture of Rome. Though, I think that getting the final condittion will be simple too, I've been building up a stack in Cardiff for when the English take London, and for the Vikings who just spawned, I have a few Triremes set up to blockade them, with the Romans having little to no consequence as soon as Milan or Rome are captured, assuming you get them quickly.

I experienced the 'Rome has declared war on Rome' problem too, it happened immediately after the Greeks asked me to help them against the Romans, and I didn't have any message saying the Greeks have declared war, leading me to assume that the first 'Rome' is some bug that really just means the Greeks.

Question though, I don't seem to have any access to make a Vassal, and it doesn't show up in the Civilopedia.

All in all though, very nice modmod.

And question: Why did Christianity auto found itself in Rome(That I controlled) before I researched Theology? Is it auto set to found there at 0 AD?

 

[antaine]

Yes, they do seem to be easy, and will need tweaking or changing down the road. I'm thinking that rather than the 1700 requirement, I should either make flipping count (requiring you to refuse the English spawn) or replace it altogether with "no foreign culture in the british isles between 1700 and 1916" (the Battle of the Boyne and the Easter Rising)...this would require successfully refusing the english (or destroying them) AND preventing french encroachment (which seems harder to do than you'd think...even the english usually have french in there with London as the capital).

I believe the religion autofounding is a leftover from Rhye's original code...major religions were set to autofound on their appropriate dates in their appropriate places.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Please make sure that the numbering of civs is correct. It seems that Russia is founding colonies in South America like Portugal and Vikings founding colonies everywhere (just like Khmer) including Jayakarta. China, Babylon, Egypt and Greece are doing what they are expected to, which makes me think that pre-Celt civs are fine, while Japan doesn't even want to found any colonies.

 

[antaine]

I'll double check, but I just put the Celts info over the Carthaginians...nobody's position in the lineup changed...