Diplomacy for Team SABER

[jb1964]

OK, IO managed to get into the forums tonight and will try and do something helpful here....

I PM'ed whomp about selling the tech. Since Council is no longer ignoring ignoring Saber there's no excuse for us to not sell the techs to Saber and pull in some of the gold. At the very least it keeps Saber somewhat neutral.

 

[jb1964]

if you didn't see the Babe thread we've got a green light to sell techs to Saber.

BTW, I would have thought 25% of monopoly would have been insulting!

Tech Calc, (Standard, Emp...) says that techs come at a discount of 54% of monopoly. Since they're forking over the gold to an opponent I can see a bigger discount but 25% vs. 54% seems like a steal.

 

[jb1964]

Been chatting w/ Erik from Saber. We've agreed upon 1400g for the mentioned techs...

That's closer to 26% monopoly.

"Feudalism, Invention, Gunpowder and Astronomy"

Here's the thread.

Spoiler :

erik says:
hey
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
hola
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
working from home today...
erik says:
who am I talking to again? (I know it's someone from the MTDG)
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
Let me get this right... Saber, correct?
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
jb, Gong
erik says:
yep
erik says:
okay
erik says:
we recently received your thesis
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
where are you located? US, UK, other?
Cubs Magic Number 4 says:
haha
erik says:
the Netherlands (Dutch means from the Netherlans )
jb1964 says:
OK... never been there...
jb1964 says:
My brother-in-law is from Denmark... I hope to get there sometime
erik says:
ah well, I've never been in the US either
jb1964 says:
I have not checked... has Saber responded?
erik says:
not yet
erik says:
(I'm reading the thread now)
erik says:
I don't believe your math has got us totally convinced just yet
erik says:
you said that splitting the monopoly cost 3 ways results in 33% each, but (according to the formulas), the cost for any of us to research a tech already known by Free-Council is 75%, and splitting that price three ways results in 25%
jb1964 says:
was away
jb1964 says:
for techs known by them... yes, I'll accept your math
jb1964 says:
When we researched the lower tier the techs were only known my Council, we suspect...
jb1964 says:
Counci and Free held back on sharing so as to not give us free techs by the Great Lib
jb1964 says:
OK, without running through the numbers lets see if we can find something between the 1360 and 1566 number...

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OK, without running through the numbers lets see if we can find...

jb1964 says:
sorry got booted
jb1964 says:
OK the diff was between 1350 and 1566.
erik says:
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erik says:
yes, that's right
jb1964 says:
Without going back and forth to the point of making us nuts...
jb1964 says:
The Gong consensus is 1400g. That's 50g over your initial offer and ~160g below the 33% mark
jb1964 says:
I've got to get on a conference call for about an hour... will be abck
jb1964 says:
back
erik says:
so, how many percent is that?
jb1964 says:
if 1350 is 25%
jb1964 says:
then 1400 is 25.9%
erik says:
correct
erik says:
I think we can agree to that, I'll post it in our team forums for confirmation
erik says:
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erik says:
so that's 1400 gold for gunpowder, invention, feudalism, astronomy?
jb1964 says:
per yor email... "Feudalism, Invention, Gunpowder and Astronomy"
jb1964 says:
As long as your monopoly cost of 5400 is correct
erik says:
okay, just checking if we're still talking about the same thing
jb1964 says:
i did not check it
erik says:
I believe it is correct
erik says:
(but I have to admit, I didn't check it personnally either)
erik says:
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erik says:
so you'll send us feudalism and astronomy (do you have it already?) as soon as possible (next turn?), then invention, and then gunpowder, how should we arrange the gold payments?
jb1964 says:
we don't have astro yet
jb1964 says:
5400 is correct
jb1964 says:
1400 is then the agreed upon number
jb1964 says:
and thatis for the techs mentioned
jb1964 says:
we'll send feud next turn... if we get astro prior we'll send that as well

 

[jb1964]

Adendum.... regarding payment of techs below...

Spoiler :

erik says:
I just got word from our bean counters, we'll be able to pay the entire sum of 1400 gold over the next 6 turns
erik says:
What about a price/tech of:
Feudalism - 250
Invention - 340
Gunpowder - 375
Astronomy - 435
So we'll send you the first 250 gold for feudalism next turn, then 340 gold for Invention 1 turn later, 375 for Gunpowder 2 turns after that, and 435 gold for Astronomy 2 turns after that (if you have the tech by then of course)
erik says:
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erik says:
does that

 

[RickFGS]

Well done, 1400 wil pratically pay all the military future upgrades and stil be left some for researching.

 

[jb1964]

We got the first 250g for Feud but Saber is not responding to my emails regarding a peace treaty or their units entering Babe territory. Don't send any more techs for the time being. That will get a response out of them.

 

[jb1964]

A back and forth w/ Team Saber...

Dear jb, dear Gongers,

Everyone on team Saber acknowledges that peace is the best way to live. Our team will do everything it can to keep relations with other teams peaceful if it's possible. At the time we sent the warrior over (before your message about peace), it seemed like the best thing to do. It is just a peaceful explorer outside of Babe territory, whose main job was to see how things were going on Babe island. As you'll understand, we were still afraid of a Babe invasion, as their dealings with us had been all but peaceful.

We'd be very interested in long term peace with team Babe, and unit locations and movements can definitely be a part of that. So if Babe is serious about peace, let them contact us.

Yours,
Team Saber

My reply....

Team Saber,

Thanks for the thoughtful note.

I don't really mind if you torment the crap out of the Babes w/ your warrior as they have certainly earned a fair amount of grief, especially from Team Saber. And in hindsight, I think your warrior-explorer is a good idea. I'm glad you're open to peace.. even w/ our crazed pals in purple.

Anyway, I would like to propose we start out w/ 20 turns of peace between Saber and Gong while we explore a long term agreement that can be more comprehensive.

I know that the Babes would appreciate a similar short term agreement w/ Saber but are probably not going to be interested in tying their hands for the long term. I would advise that you decide on a minimum number of peaceful turns you would like with them and then hold to that number. In this I think you hold the upper hand. The Babes are prone to distraction and I would rather they focus on harassing The Council and researching techs w/o the chance to once again look lustily upon Saber's shores. But I will leave that to them to manage.

If I have not already congratulated you upon your blockade of the Babes I would like to do so now. Plain and simple, it was a smart move. For whatever reason the Babes signed us up as neutral, and not having any other contacts we were a bit over a barrel, so they could go marauding. Obviously The Council is a target of opportunity but I'm glad it turned out this way.

Gmail is the best way to communicate w/ me. I no longer have access to Civ Forums at work so PM's are not picked up until late in the evening.

Regards,

jb

 

[RickFGS]

Sent this to SABER:

Hi,

Just to let you know whe are prepared to sell you Astro in turn 141 for the agreed 435 gold:
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erik says:
I just got word from our bean counters, we'll be able to pay the entire sum of 1400 gold over the next 6 turns
erik says:
What about a price/tech of:
Feudalism - 250
Invention - 340
Gunpowder - 375
Astronomy - 435
So we'll send you the first 250 gold for feudalism next turn, then 340 gold for Invention 1 turn later, 375 for Gunpowder 2 turns after that, and 435 gold for Astronomy 2 turns after that (if you have the tech by then of course)
erik says:
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erik says:
does that
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Meanwhile, are you guys interested in purchasing Chemistry?

 

[RickFGS]

Dear Gongers,
Our citizens are looking forward to Astronomy, finally they'll be able to explore the wide world without risking their lives. We've offered the gold already, so if you offer Astronomy next turn and accept, our good people will be able to carry out their dreams.

On another note, you mentioned that you have Chemistry. Would you be willing to trade it for Banking?

Yours,
Team Saber

 

[RFHolloway]

Well - it means that the Babes will get Banking once they get the GLib - I think thats a good thing...

 

[RickFGS]

What about selling it......? Money or Banking.......?

 

[RickFGS]

Thinking of sending to SABER: Banking + 60 gp to our Chemistry

Thoughts?

 

[killercane]

Thats a pretty good deal for them, but I dont know if we are still operating under a 1/3 of tech cost deal plus the others could sell soon too. So I follow Rick's judgment unless someone else weighs in?

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

Saber is now interested in trading magnetism for military tradition which we should get from the Babes soon. They promise to send physics as soon as we send them metallurgy on the next turn. This leaves us with only Theory of Gravity to get to the IA. Saber will get a free tech soon and the Council still doesn't know banking. Its starting to look like the GLib gift won't do us much, if any, good. Should we trade military tradition to Saber or force them to research it themselves?

 

[killercane]

Are they at war with Babes? What does the war look like if they are? In other words will this screw the Babes?

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

They are at war with the Babes and would most likely get a GA with Sipahis soon. I don't think they are at all out war. Wotan indicated it was a skirmish on a small island, but who knows where it will lead.