Effect of Versailles and Forbidden Palace

[bigwinw]

Forgive me if this question is addressed in another thread. So both of these Wonders claim to do the same basic task.

"Reduces maintenance in nearby cities"

That is extremely vague.

Does anyone know how much maintenance is reduced by? And how far nearby means?

Or is it the closer the city to the Wonder the more that cities maintenance is reduced by? Like a sliding scale of distance vs. maintenance reduction?

This would help me gauge where/if I should build these. Thanks!

 

[drlake]

IIRC, the maintenance cost is based on the distance from your capital and the total number of cities you have. The FP and Versailles act as if they are your capital, so distance costs are calculated to them if they are closer than the Palace.

 

[dirtyparrot]

And for maps like Terra, that could be a few hundred gold per turn that you save

 

[CivilizedTiger]

Unfortunately, I can't offer any hard cold numbers, but I can tell you that if you build the FP (or the Versailles) in good spots, the difference can immediately be felt for a larger empire.

Perhaps I'll judge courthouses better in higher difficulties than the one I'm playing now, but at the moment, the biggest reason for me to ever build courthouses is that 6 of them (on a standard map) unlock the FP.

 

[bigwinw]

IIRC, the maintenance cost is based on the distance from your capital and the total number of cities you have. The FP and Versailles act as if they are your capital, so distance costs are calculated to them if they are closer than the Palace.

So if you build both these wonders not in your capitol it will ask as if you have three capitols according to maintenance cost?

 

[drlake]

So if you build both these wonders not in your capitol it will ask as if you have three capitols according to maintenance cost?

That's my understanding, yes.

 

[Fei Kelei]

Someone mentioned Terra maps, and the reason Versailles and the Forbidden Palace are so good there is that colonial maintenance can eat you alive when you start to get more than four or five cities on a different landmass from your capital. When you know you're going to be settling or conquering a bunch of cities on another continent, consider saving the Forbidden Palace even though you could build it earlier, or at least find where Versailles was built and make plans to capture it.

 

[bestbrian]

This article and thread gets into an analysis of city upkeep and distance maintenance. It's 5 years old, but it's still very interesting. If you jump ahead to post #89 in that thread, you'll see what was revealed in the code.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=138473

 

[bigwinw]

If you jump ahead to post #89 in that thread, you'll see what was revealed in the code.

Thanks, this one line answer my entire question.

Distance = distance to closest goverment center (Palace, Forbidden Palace, Versailles)

Awesome thread! Thanks for the help.

 

[bestbrian]

Thanks, this one line answer my entire question.

Distance = distance to closest goverment center (Palace, Forbidden Palace, Versailles)

Awesome thread! Thanks for the help.

No charge.

 

[kossin]

Keep in mind however that FP and Versailles do not reduce colonial maintenance. Only State Property does that.

 

[T-hawk]

Keep in mind however that FP and Versailles do not reduce colonial maintenance.

They do, indirectly. Colonial maintenance is capped at 2x distance maintenance. So the FP/Versailles city pays 0 colonial expenses, and nearby cities will pay only a small amount.

 

[NihilZero]

If I recall correctly, a FP (and presumably Versailles) eliminates colonial maintenance in the city in which it's built, but only in that city.

edit - and now I know why after reading the above post.

 

[obsolete]

I love it how deity AIs build these despite they are totally useless to them due to the insane cheating bonuses.

 

[Infantry#14]

I love it how deity AIs build these despite they are totally useless to them due to the insane cheating bonuses.

at least they deny you from building the Versailles

 

[DaveMcW]

Versailles is a big "conquer me!" sign.

 

[Revenant]

I used WB to remove the Forbidden Palace from this island and the difference was 280 GPT. Colonial expenses are just brutal.

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[Infantry#14]

I used WB to remove the Forbidden Palace from this island and the difference was 280 GPT. Colonial expenses are just brutal.

Maybe it's time to grant independence...

 

[Revenant]

If I didn't have the Forbidden Palace there then yeah definitely, independent colony. But I had saved it for just that purpose so it was fine.

 

[CHEESE!]

Sury got ownt by the RNG, didn't he...