External Consulate T4 D5- Possible Alliances vs. Byzantines

[greekguy]

i just noticed an interesting possibilty. we are at war with the Byzantines and they look to be very agressive, possibly declaring war quite a few times in the future. the Maya are the closest civ to us in culture. if can get an MA vs. Byz with Maya, we could weaken the Byz. considerably and eliminate the possibilty the Maya will be remotely close to us in culture. we then won't have to worry about Byz. agression and Maya culture.

 

[Chieftess]

A lot of civs (including France) will sign an alliance for mere luxuries. Pretty good deal I think.

 

[classical_hero]

Only use countries that are actually able to fight against Byz.

 

[Double Stack]

Use all available Civs against Byzantine. This make it very difficult and costly for Theodora to continue her war. Adding to our offense/defense, having Man'O Wars will defintely make her pay.

 

[Nobody]

give peace a chance,

 

[classical_hero]

They declared on us, so it is their fault for this war, not ours. So I would say that we decimate them.

 

[zyxy]

A lot of civs (including France) will sign an alliance for mere luxuries. Pretty good deal I think.

Isn't France the nearly dead one?

Hittites will sign up against Byz for Wines (they will even throw in a worker), and Maya will sign up for three luxes. Maya need 2 luxes to sign vs France.

I would do the Hittites. Not so sure about the others. Maya are too strong already, we shouldn't be giving them luxuries I think. Besides, we may want to attack them before the 20 turns are over....

 

[Chieftess]

Isn't France the nearly dead one?

Exactly. We can get France to attack the Byzantines, in which Byzantium might gladly take the last French city.

I would do the Hittites. Not so sure about the others. Maya are too strong already, we shouldn't be giving them luxuries I think. Besides, we may want to attack them before the 20 turns are over....

We should really stop our expansion here. If we take all of Persia's lands (and former cities), then we will win by domination after a bit of culture growth.

 

[zyxy]

I didn't mean take the Mayan lands. Just clear the lands of Mayans

I agree, we should stop somewhere near Gordium.

 

[classical_hero]

I didn't mean take the Mayan lands. Just clear the lands of Mayans

I agree, we should stop somewhere near Gordium.

Burn them all to the ground. :mwhaha:

 

[Furiey]

France will give an alliance as part of the Peace deal, when the Byzantines wipe them out there goes our War Weariness. If we don't do this we need to think about taking that last French city ourselves.

The Mayan and Hittite alliances (Maya: MA and 90 gold for 3 luxes, Hittite: MA and Worker for 1 lux) will help keep them occupied and slow their tech pace. As these lux deals are tied to the alliance, won't they also stop if the Hittites or Mayans make Peace? Lets keep them occupied fighting each other, allowing us to slow our tech pace and rush more culture still. What other use have we got for the luxes?

In other words; get alliances with all 3 against the Byzantines.

 

[RegentMan]

Interesting poll outcome, I predict. (That was kind of Yoda-ish!)

 

[Furiey]

The Civ we don't want to ally with is Persia, after all we are intending to declare war and take their lands in our last war of conquest. Up to Gordium I believe the target was.

 

[vikingruler]

We should ally with Hittites. The Persians and French are to weak and will be easily destoryed by the Byzantines, and if they get destoryed by the Byzantines that blows our only chance of getting their land, short of aggresivly attacking the Byzantines and the WW prevents us from doing that. Also, not the Maya because we might attack them, no point in signing an MA and stab them in the back. The Hittites are the last choice and they should be able to fight them pretty well.

 

[Bertie]

We want as many MAs as possible in order to slow the progress of the AI, although a MA with Persia would tie our hands. Let the AI do our fighting for us while we can be peaceful culture building people. Except for razing the odd city, of course. OK, except for razing lots of cities! After we take Gordium, our acquisition days are over.

 

[Furiey]

We get reverse War Weariness from Byzantines, the War Weariness we are suffering from at the moment is from the French.

Persia is already at War with Byzantine, so no need for an alliance that will tie our hands, Their cities are rapidly being eaten up by a wave of Byzantine Knights. If we don't take them when they are Persian, we will be taking them when they are Byzantine.

 

[zyxy]

Nah, we should take whatever is left of Persia, and then beat up Byzantines and perhaps also Maya. Raze their cities, empty their lands! Leave no stone unturned!

For that reason I would only ally with Hittites. They are our friends and have never done us any harm. And they are too weak to be a threat , too.

I further think that France has to be destroyed.