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Maj

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I do not believe in the existence of a benign entity that created and fostered the Earth and/or its human species. I do not believe that after I die I will either end up in a "Heaven" a "Hell" a "Limbo" or any spatial or temporal location. I do believe that there is more to life than cold, hard facts and the reality of simply being another animal on another planet. Do I believe in God? You tell me. I don't even know who or what "God" is anymore. So to all of you out there, regardless of your beliefs, here are some questions I garnered from the shallower recesses of my mind.

Is God a He, a She, or an It? What or who exactly is God? Who created God? Who wrote the Bible? When was it written? Where does God exist? What does God do? Who was Jesus? What did he do? Where did he go? Why do the doctrines of one religion counter those of others? How can monotheism and polytheism both be "correct" belief systems? Does an afterlife exist? Where is it? How do you get there? Is every human that has existed there? Who were the first humans to exist? Do only humans enter the afterlife? What do you do in the afterlife? Can evidence and knowledge of an afterlife exist or can there only be a belief of its existence? Were only humans created or were all other organisms also created in conjunction with humans? Why do humans exhibit so many similiar behavioural and physical characteristics as other animals? Why was the Earth chosen? Why do other planets exist when all that was needed to create and place humans was one planet?

Some of these questions are obviously "Christianicentric", and my only excuse for that can be because I have not had the opportunity to experience the "experience" of other religions. I hope that made sense :/

My belief is that to dispell the beliefs of others is to dispell your own since what more do you have as evidence than faith. What makes your faith any "better" or "stronger" or more correct that that of others?

But that's just my belief. I could be wrong.

-Maj
 
The difference between science and God is very simple. Science relies on our senses – sight, smell, hearing, touch, taste and God relies on feelings. Since science cannot FULLY test feelings, therefore God is out of reach of science till today. Maybe one day…

Let me ask you some questions:

How would you explain existence of electricity, radiation etc 500 years ago? Lack of instrument to measure them does not negate theirs existence.
How would you explain what colour is to a blind or sound to a deaf?
How can we say that seeing is believing if our range of vision is so limited?
 
The god question is entirely down to personal believe...whether you think there is/are god(s) or not. Not science or any of that complicated technical stuff, just believe.

Personally I think there is no God.
 
Every human has a concept or ideals that are vital to them,

I can respect other people's faith,
as long as they in turn respect their fellow's way of life...

But some people seem to need to be told what to do in
life, or are very open to suggestion...

I find that very odd...:confused:
 
Personally I believe in God and that Jesus died for my sins.
I also believe that you either believe or you don't. It's not a matter of why.

I could go into detail, but don't think I will get a warm reception. But I suppose I'm not supposed to.
 
“But some people seem to need to be told what to do in
life, or are very open to suggestion... “

It is very amazing, but if you have the “sense” of what is right or wrong you may consider yourself a “super human”. I think that same… It is amazing how weak are humans… we need constant assurance of love, recognition etc. What is even more amazing is how easy is to manipulate us. expl. Some paedophile from (example) Rome, Paris, London or New York goes to annual awards in tight, pink jeans and next day half of the World thinks it is cool and they rush to shops to by exact stuff!!! and we say that what divides us from animals is free will!!! hehehe
:crazyeyes
 
CrayonX

I also believe in God and that Jesus died for our sins, but so millions of others... Those who died in wars defending theirs independece and died for sins of others....
Thousands people sacrified theirs lifes for others. What makes Him so special?
I see He turned water into wine...
 
For the sake of discussion let’s agree to one, Jesus after three days from His death walked out from the grave. Surely not many humans could do that, but as far as I remember that was a part of His Dad’s plan. So… the main difference between Jesus and others that they went straight to haven and He took the longer way to show us who is the boss….
Hm…. From my human point of view… I would more comfortable to die knowing that my Dad is God instead of just a regular human….

My point is: we are children of God in fact we are God as God is all. And YES I do not believe in existance of Satan as a bloke sitting downstairs and BBQ-ing lost souls!!!
 
Well, Jesus died and then three days later......

Eight word story!

Oh wait, it isn't? Aww...


I don't believe in a god because I believe evrything around us can be explained scientificly without there being a need for a god to exist.

I personally find a strange paradox in the idea of god existing forever. The paradox is this:

Given that god has existed for that an infinite amount of time,
and that he created everything including time,
since infinity is an amount of time,
there must have been time before time was created.

Which is nonsensical. Who created the time before time? Did it always exist? then that is a time and it cannot create itself so there must have been time before time before time!

This works backwards forever and is very difficult to understand.

If I can't understand god, he must not want me to understand him, or the paradox. Since the paradox sort of messes up the idea of god existing (for me, anyway), he must not want me to believe in him.

Problem solved. If I don't believe in him, and he does exist, I can say that I thought he didn't want me to believe so I didn't. Mabye he'll forgive me (he IS forgiving, right?:D ). If he doesn't exist, well, what have I lost?;)
 
Hm… the explanation of God’s existence is a bit hard task, but I share some of my thoughts.
I believe that the closest to science explanation of God is Energy. Some religions talk about Good Energy etc. I think that it is for now best scientific explanation.
E=mcc. Some may say what the… God=mcc. well….

Bible gives us some hints on what God is:
Human supposed to be created by Him based on His form (help I do not remember exact word).
We are all His children.
God is Love. etc.
Well all above are form of energy.
However I believe that equation E=mcc is missing some, at least one components, or E is just a part of equation of God = E (*/+- ) X .
what is X ???
maybe there is more then just +*/- in our lives….
Well time will show, ah do not forget that time is relative, not constant and we should not put time into concept of God – this is proven by science!!!

Remember belief, faith IS a form of energy!!!
 
There is a vast array many different faiths and cultures in our world...
Christianity is merely one of them.

Jesus and Satan are just names from that particular religious culture.
The same good guy vs. bad guy concept is present in countless world faith traditions...

Along with 'the great flood' and world-renewal myths,
And a myriad of interesting creation traditions...

These things have existed since humankind's earliest moments.
They are not the sole monopoly of Christian belief.

Look at the myths of anything from Hindus to Wiccans and you
Will find similarities...in fact Christianity 'borrowed' from many
Of the older religions...

Mythology is a fascinating subject...

:goodjob:
 
If someone wants to step forward and speak for the Christendom sects, or for the various pantheistic religions, or for fringe stuff like Islam, Mormons, or atheism, go ahead.
I'll answer these from the perspective of a Christian.
Originally posted by Maj
I do not believe in the existence of a benign entity that created and fostered the Earth and/or its human species.
While you have the right to believe whatever you wish, I happen to disagree with you.
Originally posted by Maj
I do not believe that after I die I will either end up in a "Heaven" a "Hell" a "Limbo" or any spatial or temporal location.
In this you are correct. The Bible does not teach of the existence of any sort of 'afterlife'. The various false sects adopted this doctrine to make their religion more palatable to prospective converts.
Originally posted by Maj
I do believe that there is more to life than cold, hard facts and the reality of simply being another animal on another planet. Do I believe in God? You tell me. I don't even know who or what "God" is anymore.
It sounds to me like you are searching for answers, and that you have a sense of the spiritual. Keep looking, and remember to let your heart tell you what is right.
Originally posted by Maj
So to all of you out there, regardless of your beliefs, here are some questions I garnered from the shallower recesses of my mind.

Is God a He, a She, or an It? What or who exactly is God?
God is known better by His name, Jehovah. This is an approximation of it, as unfortunately no one alive speaks Aramaic as it was originally pronounced. Some pronounce the Tetragrammaton (4 letters that spell His name in the various texts of the Bible) as YAH-weh. As to who He is, his name means He Who Causes to Become, or more simply, The Creator.
Originally posted by Maj
Who created God?
If we take His word for it, no one. He claims to be "...the Alpha and the Omega..." Nothing came before Him, nothing will exist after Him.
Originally posted by Maj
Who wrote the Bible?
Jehovah inspired humans to write down His words so that they could be carried to everyone. The Oxford Literary Society, a group that takes sadistic pleasure in winnowing down politician's speeches, removing contradictions and meaningless phrases, and publishing what is left(usually just "Good evening. Good night."), took their turn on the Bible, and came to the conclusion that it was the work of a single author.
Originally posted by Maj
When was it written?
It was written over a span of 2,500 years, and despite having more than forty human authors, it maintains a common theme and writing style throughout.
Originally posted by Maj
Where does God exist? What does God do?
He currently resides at #1 Palace St., City of Jehovah, Heaven. You may address all correspondence c/o Jesus Christ, who will listen for the phrases Dear Father, In the name of Your Son, and Amen, as keywords to begin transcription.
Originally posted by Maj
Who was Jesus? What did he do? Where did he go?
Jesus was the first thing God created, and is a powerful spirit being, practically a god. The Bible likens him to a god in John 1:1-5. God sent him to earth as a human born of Mary, with the purpose of creating a new covenant with all the people of the earth to bring about an end to this system of things and re-make the world as a paradise as it was in the time of Eden. After making this covenant, Jesus returned to heaven to prepare for the upcoming battle at Har-Mageddon, where he will lead God's army to victory over Satan.
Originally posted by Maj
Why do the doctrines of one religion counter those of others?
Because they are the works of humans, and as such are flawed.
Originally posted by Maj
How can monotheism and polytheism both be "correct" belief systems?
They cannot.
Originally posted by Maj
Does an afterlife exist? Where is it? How do you get there? Is every human that has existed there?
No. The Bible teaches that "...as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing."
Originally posted by Maj
Who were the first humans to exist?
Adam and Eve.
Originally posted by Maj
Do only humans enter the afterlife? What do you do in the afterlife? Can evidence and knowledge of an afterlife exist or can there only be a belief of its existence?
The Bible teaches that when a human dies, he exists only as a memory of God, and that those who have not by their actions taken their name from the Book of Life (apparently a symbolic reference to God's memory) will be resurrected after Armageddon and given the choice, after seeing what is being offered, of either serving God forever as a perfect human, or joining Satan in utter destruction.
It is worth noting that many people have seen what they believe to be the spirits of the dead, in seeming contradiction to the Bible's stance on life after death. These spirits may well be nothing more than figments of overactive imaginations. But Satan has an army of fallen angels at his command, and a vested interest in making people believe that God is either not real or not as depicted in the Bible. It is by no means a stretch of the imagination to believe that he has ordered his demons to trick humans into seeing all manner of ghoulies, ghosties, long-legged beasties, and things that go bump in the night. At least, it's no stretch for me. :D
Originally posted by Maj
Were only humans created or were all other organisms also created in conjunction with humans? Why do humans exhibit so many similiar behavioural and physical characteristics as other animals?
The Genesis account of creation tells that everthing, down to the last neutrino, was created by God. Humans exhibit similar characteristics to animals because we all breathe the same air, eat the same food, and live in the same places. How much sense would the world make if Humans were silicon-based lifeforms while everything else was carbon-based?
Originally posted by Maj
Why was the Earth chosen? Why do other planets exist when all that was needed to create and place humans was one planet?
Perhaps God intends for man to fill not just one world, but the whole universe some day. Who can say for certain?
Originally posted by Maj
Some of these questions are obviously "Christianicentric", and my only excuse for that can be because I have not had the opportunity to experience the "experience" of other religions. I hope that made sense :/
I understood what you were getting at. You've always seemed to be adequately eloquent for your needs.
Originally posted by Maj
My belief is that to dispell the beliefs of others is to dispell your own since what more do you have as evidence than faith.
Ah, but faith is evidence! It is, "...the guaranteed expectation of things to come, the belief in that which is not evident, yet held to be true."
Originally posted by Maj
What makes your faith any "better" or "stronger" or more correct that that of others?
Jesus answered this one with a parable. If every faith was a tree, and you were walking amongst the orchard of faiths, how would you decide? You would take the tree whose fruit was wholesome, and pure. The trees bearing rotten fruit you would chop down and throw in the fire, to make room for the good tree. Judge a religion on the behaviour of its followers and proponents.
Originally posted by Maj
But that's just my belief. I could be wrong.
-Maj
You're only human.
 
Of course, I could go into a diatribe of what I believe and why, but I'm not going to, not because I can't defend myself, but because we all have our preconceived biases which, when debated about in a forum of this type, degenerates into mindless chatter.

And Curt, call it what you want, but a lot of what is out there is not 'mythology', but history. Of course, as you alluded to, there is a lot of 'sifting' to go through to separate fact from fiction, and myth from metaphor.

But I encourage everyone not to be ignorant of things which may seem difficult to understand.

(CrayonX braces for impact...)
 
Sorry, but I had to ask FL2 a few things...

In this you are correct. The Bible does not teach of the existence of any sort of 'afterlife'. The various false sects adopted this doctrine to make their religion more palatable to prospective converts.

Ummm, really????? Not according to my Bible!!!!
(John 3:16, John 14:3, John 3:36, Matthew 5:29 etc etc)


It sounds to me like you are searching for answers, and that you have a sense of the spiritual. Keep looking, and remember to let your heart tell you what is right.

FL2, better reread Jeremiah 17:9 again!!

I'm also not sure where you got that idea of "memory of God". This is not a Christian concept as far as I know! (Bear with me, I am by no means an expert, if you can mention the Scriptures referring to your assessment of this concept it would be appreciated)!

As everyone can tell, there are so many different versions of "Christianity" that people adhere too (that's why there's so many denominations), but how many are actually following their own Bibles?
 
As my noble fellow-dictator, FearlessLeader suggested;

Have we any posters of other faiths to give us more varied
opinions or perspectives on this thread?

:king:
 
Originally posted by CrayonX

And Curt, call it what you want, but a lot of what is out there is not 'mythology', but history. Of course, as you alluded to, there is a lot of 'sifting' to go through to separate fact from fiction, and myth from metaphor.

But I encourage everyone not to be ignorant of things which may seem difficult to understand.

(CrayonX braces for impact...)

CrayonX,

Come on, no need be so defensive!
I was merely talking about world-culture, a really great subject.
One of our great features as a race is our ability to create so
Many varied cultures and traditions, our western culture is just
Part of a vast and ancient human tapestry...

Yes, History and mythology are separate,
But in some ancient cultures; like Rome and Greece,
History and mythology become intertwined...

I have a great interest in history and mythologies from ALL
Nations and societies...

That's why I try to get people to talk about their ideas...I'm Interested!
 
Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
In this you are correct. The Bible does not teach of the existence of any sort of 'afterlife'.

I'll list them for you if you wish but there actually is quite a few verses in support for the existance of both Heaven & Hell.
 
Originally posted by DinoDoc


I'll list them for you if you wish but there actually is quite a few verses in support for the existance of both Heaven & Hell.
Yeah. You and CrayonX both. Go ahead, and I'll explain them as abest as I can, but I'm not at home right now, so it'll be after 11pm EST before I can reply. Currently it is 8:41pm EST.

I assure you though, that none of what you are about to quote is either new to me, or supports the concept of afterlife, be it punishment in a firey hell, or reward in heaven.

Actually, just e-mail me at nclark02@twcny.rr.com if you think it is off-topic.
 
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