Got the req's, why no Modern Armor upgrade?

[TheBlackHand]

This question has probably already been asked somewhere, but I couldn't find it in a search so I'm posting it here.

I have three or four sources of Oil and Aluminum, along with the required techs, but I'm still unable to build modern armor and/or stealth bombers. In fact, I'm fighting a war on a Barbarian continent in order to aquire MORE access to these resources. So far, I've come by two more sources for aluminum. I've built the mines/rigs/wells . . . but still no upgrades. I was able to build these units long enough to build about a dozen pieces, but I havent been able to build/upgrade for the last five turns or so.

One of these aluminum mines, on the Barbarian continent keeps dissapearing every few turns. I figure this is either a spy or bombers. I rebuild it, but still no upgrades.

What gives?

 

[Inyuraye]

Modern Armor requires computers, and stealth bombers need robotics. As far as I know, it doesn't matter how many sources of a resource you have, as far as unit requirements go, 1 is as good as 100 (although it's good to have multiple sources so you're not F'd when one of them get destroyed.

You can check out the unit requirements in the units section on this site.

 

[ChicagoCubs]

In the game, go to the Civlopedia. Look up Modern Armor and Stealth Bombers, and confirm that you have all of the required techs listed in the Civlopedia

 

[TheBlackHand]

I have all of the required techs, plus all of the required resources. Like I said, I was able to build these units for awhile. When I found that I was unable to build them I figured I might've lost access to the resources, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I still have about four oil wells and two or three aluminum mines. The aluminum mines aren't on my home continent, but that shouldn't matter, should it? I have rail access to all of these mines. It doesn't make sense. Now the barbs are making modern armor as if there's no tomorrow. My foothold on their continent will soon be doomed if I'm unable to build/upgrade.

This is BS.

 

[Depravo]

I have all of the required techs, plus all of the required resources. It doesn't make sense. Now the barbs are making modern armor as if there's no tomorrow. My foothold on their continent will soon be doomed if I'm unable to build/upgrade.

This is BS.

Barbarian Modern Armour? Are you playing a mod or something?

 

[Woodgar]

The aluminum mines aren't on my home continent, but that shouldn't matter, should it? I have rail access to all of these mines. It doesn't make sense.

I believe it matters if you don't have a direct trade route to them.

Have any AIs recently closed their borders to you cutting off access or have the barbarians got some ship units blocking your ports on the other continent?

 

[ChicagoCubs]

The aluminum mines aren't on my home continent, but that shouldn't matter, should it? I have rail access to all of these mines.

Do the rail lines have uninterrupted paths to your cities on the other continents? Did you start a war with someone and lost the path through friendly territory?

 

[Pantastic]

You need a path from the resource to a port city on the same body of water as a port city connected to your capital. I'm guessing you've got a cut somewhere in the line between your port on the far continent and the resources, open borders is a good bet. Also, if you're missing a resource then the icon for the armor should be greyed out, mouseover it and it will have the missing item in red.

 

[Danmed]

Could you have traded the resource away in diplomacy?

 

[GiantRaven]

Could you have traded the resource away in diplomacy?

That's what i thought, it pays to double check things like that

 

[Orion071]

This question has probably already been asked somewhere, but I couldn't find it in a search so I'm posting it here.

I have three or four sources of Oil and Aluminum, along with the required techs, but I'm still unable to build modern armor and/or stealth bombers. In fact, I'm fighting a war on a Barbarian continent in order to aquire MORE access to these resources. So far, I've come by two more sources for aluminum. I've built the mines/rigs/wells . . . but still no upgrades. I was able to build these units long enough to build about a dozen pieces, but I havent been able to build/upgrade for the last five turns or so.

One of these aluminum mines, on the Barbarian continent keeps dissapearing every few turns. I figure this is either a spy or bombers. I rebuild it, but still no upgrades.

What gives?

Usually if you mouse-over the grayed-out Modern Armor box, it will tell you why you can't build it. If it says "Requires Oil" or "Requires Computers" then you'll know why you can't build them.

 

[TheBlackHand]

Are you playing a mod or something?

I should've mentioned that I'm playing the "Realism" mod.

You need a path from the resource to a port city on the same body of water as a port city connected to your capital.

Got it. (Good info though, I was never quite sure how that worked.)

Could you have traded the resource away in diplomacy?

Newp. I've been hoarding these resources just to be sure that didn't happen.

Usually if you mouse-over the grayed-out Modern Armor box, it will tell you why you can't build it.

Aha, that was another thing I was wondering. Now I know. Anyhow, it shows that I need aluminum . . . problem is, I have TWO sources of aluminum. Each of which fits the bill, trade-routewise.

I'm at a loss.

 

[Rachetguy]

One other thing to check... are the resources within your cultural border?

 

[jwildstr]

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but your aluminum mines are connected to a port city of yours, right? and in your borders? Remember that a road to the coast won't work; only a road to a river. So if there's no city on, say, an island with an aluminum mine, you can't get it.

 

[TheBlackHand]

Ok, here's a screenshot of the aluminum mines.

http://www.npt.com/~scott/screenshots/civ1.jpg

You can see that one has mysteriously dissapeared and is in the process of being re-dug. I think it got bombed. The other is fully functioning, connected by rail and sea-route to my capital city . . . I think. I'm wondering if the ice is restricting access. Ships can come & go through the gap, but perhaps the game is still registering the port as iced in. Still, I've got airfields on two of those cities in that screenie. Don't they count for trade purposes?

 

[Gyathaar]

Looks like the western one is the one that is getting re-mined?

The eastern one dont look like it is inside your cultural boders

 

[TheBlackHand]

You are correct sir! The west one is being rebuilt. The eastern one actually is in my borders now. The screenie was taken from an autosave. It's actually a few turns old. I've taken one more barb city that is just offscreen, giving me a large block of culture covering the whole area. Still, no upgrades. Ho-hum.

 

[Watiggi]

Dude, there is no trade route symbol (that yellow symbol that says that this city connects to the capital city) on any of those cities in the pic.

The resource needs to be able to get to the capital before all cities get it.

Once the mine is fixed, check to see if that city at the top - the one that has the mine in its city area - see if that city can make it.

Those cities on that pic are not connected to the capital. When that yellow symbol is there, then they will be, which is when (and only when) that resource is distributed to the other cities. That yellow symbol will appear left of the religion symbols (ie, left of the islam symbol in the top city).

Another thing to do is to look at the top city in the pic and see whether *its* receiving the resources (ie, lux and health resources) from the rest of the empire. I bet it's not.

EDIT: I'll bet there is no path to the rest of your empire. I'll bet that the ice there prevents the connection. Either that or you don't have the tech that allows you to connect across oceans (Astronomy??).

EDIT2: Yep, there doesn't look like there is any port city there. Try to get a sea unit out through the ice (besides a sub).

Watiggi

 

[TheBlackHand]

Trade route symbol? Jeez, I never thought of that and now I feel like a flippin idiot . . . but that's why I posted. Not because I'm an idiot, but because I hoped to learn a thing or two. I have.

The strange part still remains. I CAN move ships in and out of Kassite (the lower city in the screenshot). This city has access to aluminum, it has a harbor (not sure if that matters), and it is accessible by ship. My capital city is a coastal city and is built to the max. I also have ALL techs & am now working on Future Tech One, albeit not working very hard since I'm maxing culture and wealth. Having future techs before the 19th century is a bit ridiculous, but hey, it's a game.

I'm playing Noble. I get spanked on Prince. No surprise.

Anyway, I've launched a massive campaign to take a city at the very tip of that barb continent. This city has the only other source of aluminum on this continent. When this city is in my hands I'll have unfettered access to aluminum. After that, it's only a matter of time before the whole continent is MINE! Yahhahahahaha.

 

[Watiggi]

If you have all the techs and you can navigate a navel unit (besides a sub) through the ice, then all I can think of is that either there is a blockade somewhere (maybe near the ice) or the system isn't computing that it is connected correctly (ie, a bug) or there is something else that has been completely missed (which I wouldn't mind learning myself ).

Sadly thats all I know about it.

Watiggi