Help!!

[mortichro]

i was at war with the persian, they have a 2/2 mech infantry and i have a 4/4 mech infantry and i have 2 of the units attacking this perisan mech infantry.. the FUNNY thing is i attack the mech infantry which had a 2/2 HP with my 4/4 mech infantry, my mech was beaten but the persian mech infantry dropped to 1/2, i attack the persian mech again with my other 4/4 mech AND STILL BEATEN BY A 1/2 PERSIAN MECH ARHHH!!! WTH IS WRONG!!!!

 

[sealman]

Mech is better suited for defense, not attack. Use armor next time.:tank:

 

[mortichro]

i forgot to put in something.. i use one of my modern armour against a persian mech infantry. my MA has a 4/4 and the persian mech has a 2/4 but still beaten by it sheesh...

 

[Black Fluffy Lion]

welcome to civ3

 

[ncanavan]

You may want to consider the tile that your opponent is sitting on. If it's a resource square, the defense factor greatly increases.

 

[joycem10]

resources tiles give a bonus to defense?

i never heard that before.

how much is the defense bonus?

 

[sealman]

Originally posted by ncanavan
You may want to consider the tile that your opponent is sitting on. If it's a resource square, the defense factor greatly increases.

News to me as well.

 

[Grey Knight]

A 4HP Modern Armor (attack 24) has a 59% chance of beating a 2HP Mech Infantry (base defense 18), assuming:

Plains / Grassland terrain +10%
In a Metropolis +100%
Is fortified +25%

for an effective defense rating of 42.3. That the MA should loose is not unreasonable!

Cheers,
Shawn

 

[Grey Knight]

Oh, and resources do not give any defense bonus. The terrain the resource is on does, but the resource itself does not. Lots of resources are in hills, and hills give a 50% bonus, so that may be where the perceived bonus comes from.

Various bonuses:

Terrain +10% to +100%
Crossing a river +25%
In a fortress +50%
In a walled town +50%
In a city (size 6-11) +50%
In a metropolis (size 12+) +100%
Fortified +25%

All this can be found in the editor!

Cheers,
Shawn

 

[rdomarat]

I'll consider a best case and worst case scenario for each of your complaints. In the worst case scenario, you are attacking across a river into the mountains against a fortified unit in a fortress. The same odds apply if you are attacking across a river to a fortified unit in size-12 or greater city placed on a hill. In the best case scenario, you are not attacking across a river, and the defender is in a grassland tile, not fortified, and not in a fortress or city.

I'll plug the numbers into the Combat calculator at http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3combatcalc.html and see what we get.

Originally posted by mortichro
i was at war with the persian, they have a 2/2 mech infantry and i have a 4/4 mech infantry and i have 2 of the units attacking this perisan mech infantry.. the FUNNY thing is i attack the mech infantry which had a 2/2 HP with my 4/4 mech infantry, my mech was beaten but the persian mech infantry dropped to 1/2

Worst Case : Defender has a 77.4% chance of winning the battle.
Best Case : Defender has a 37.7% chance of winning the battle.

Originally posted by mortichro
i attack the persian mech again with my other 4/4 mech AND STILL BEATEN BY A 1/2 PERSIAN MECH ARHHH!!! WTH IS WRONG!!!!

Worst Case : Defender has a 44.8% chance of winning the battle.
Best Case : Defender has a 15.0% chance of winning the battle.

Originally posted by mortichro
i forgot to put in something.. i use one of my modern armour against a persian mech infantry. my MA has a 4/4 and the persian mech has a 2/4 but still beaten by it sheesh...

Worst Case : Defender has a 51.3% chance of winning the battle.
Best Case : Defender has a 13.4% chance of winning the battle.

The worst odds we saw in any of these battles was 13.4% which is around 1 in 7. Odds are the next six times you make the same attack, you'll win.

Lesson One : Don't attack Mech Infantry with other Mech Infantry
Lesson Two : 13.4% is greater than zero.

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with what happened in the battles you described. How many times did the AI attack you and one of your defenders do really well? People tend to forget the good things that happen to them during the game and only remember (and post) the battles that didn't go their way.