Reloading

[Greg Loader]

Why reload?

If I have many hours invested in a game and I miss building the Great Library by 1 turn, I may restart. Otherwise, I pretty much roll with the punches. I assume many others play as I do, and, like myself would be willing to notate any reloading. I submit any game which is reloaded in a manner that is recognizable.

I love the GOTMs. Thanks.

Greg Loader

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Do the right thing, accept the consequences. --Sam Houston

 

[Baso]

It's pointless accusing anyone of cheating.
First of all it's hard to prove and second noone can beat the best players with cheating unless using a trainer.
Reloading is bad and if u have to reload it means u did something wrong with your tactics. Even goody huts reloading is pointless because u can benefit from everything huts give you.
I remember playing civ 1,2 when I constantly reload playing the same map over and over again. Learning from mistakes makes you a better player and reloading doesn't.
I find GOTM a great oportunity to compare my score with others & analizing my strategy. Have to say that score hunting isn't my style and I get less satisfaction from milking.

Have fun and don't cheat.

 

[Forthoffer]

I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating. I was disagreeing with the statement, "You have the assurance the top players don't cheat ever but win on their own strength." I still see no evidence of that assurance. I'm glad the new HOF will discourage it, though.

Reloading makes helps me learn from my mistakes faster than not reloading. I've learned the most by playing GOTM without reloading, then comparing my progress against the spoiler thread, then revising my strategy and trying again from an appropriate saved game.

Reloading isn't cheating unless you submit a reloaded game to GOTM or HOF.

As for reloading for goodie huts, how do you benefit when your unit is destroyed, or when you defeat barbarians without getting a promotion?

 

[kb2tvl]

I am playing my first gotm. During the game I reloaded once. I got in a hurry and hit the wrong button on a trade. The results were catastrophic. Other than that, I would restart the game instead of reloading... Well, try to fix the problem.

If the rules are not to reload, then reloading and submitting the should not occurr. After all, what is the point at being the best if you cheated... You are only fooling yourself. Also, you are wasting time if constantly reloading.

The notion of milking is pointless. Winning by the eariest possible date and having the same difficulty level should be the determining factor for winning this game, imo.

 

[AHapka]

I thought that the contents of goody huts always stay the same, even if you reload.

I usually play the Americans, so I almost always get something good (only once had barbarians) and have never tried it, but i'm sure it's in the manual somewhere.

 

[Greg Loader]

"I thought that the contents of goody huts always stay the same, even if you reload. I usually play the Americans, so I almost always get something good (only once had barbarians) and have never tried it, but i'm sure it's in the manual somewhere."-AHapka

Unlike Civ2, where the contents of Goody Huts or the results of fighting may change upon reload, In Civ3 I've never seen them change by reloading the previous turn.

I did think that the goody huts would change if you restarted the game, but your experience tells me that might not be correct.

Greg

edit:

The preserve seed option will change the above behavior.

 

[Smoking mirror]

O.K. I admit it, I'm not a very good Civ III player- I can compete with the A.I. and win on most occasions, but I'm never going to be at the top of the league.

I guess it's cos I get to involved with the game- treating the other leaders like humans and rewarding them for their good behaviour and punishing them for their arrogance- I get very emotionaly involved; I just can't deal with the game on a purely mathematical/analytical level. I love history and I love the way the civ series allows you to simulate history. I also love a challenge, The best game of CIv III is one where you come to the brink of defeat and then ruturn to vitory with a gloriously cunning military/diplomatic strategy. The most boring game of Civ III is where you win by such a huge margin that the other civs didn't even stand a chance (or where you have no chance of winning- an archipeligo map where you start alone and by the time you meet any one else, they are two eras ahead of you with huge empires).

I have to admit- some times I even giv the A.I. favourable tech trades just before a war (or at least trade with their allies) in order to have them present more of a challenge.

Cheating would just be pointless- the A.I is already handicapped as it is- I'm sure I would be more ruthless with a human player, but that poor A.I. its just mean to cheat it.

 

[MSGT John Drew]

so I need to brag about not reloading in GOTM10! Matrix, I did not include this in my sent e-mail:

I did not reload! I did not reload! I'm innocent!

well actually I did. I had to. If you had to play a game for almost a month you definitely have to turn off your computer at least once right? But other than 'reloading' the game to continue playing it, I did not reload - not even once! And I'm proud of it - damnit I should be! But I will reload it now that I have sent my GOTM (Matrix, hope you received it.) I still don't know how Space Age Victory works so I'll reload the game and play it for that.

PS - I actually played GOTM09 and reloaded. I thought the rule wasn't strict so I did reload. When I read that phrase in the rules page I was quite in shock and hated the world. All that work gone to waste. I abandoned it and planned to play the GOTM 9 again but was advised against it since you should not play it when you already know a lot of what is and will be in the game. So I all-out left Civ3 and waited for GOTM 10. I'm not spoiling my chances this time and I did not. The guilt is not worth it but the added challenge of a tough game will add to the enjoyment of GOTMs.

...the story of my life...sheesh! - "CUT!!" Now go watch some cheesy music videos...zzz....

 

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by AHapka
I thought that the contents of goody huts always stay the same, even if you reload.

The contents of goody huts are not fixed. They depend on the state of your civilization.

Some things that can (but not always will) change the outcome are - the first four even on the same turn:
- tipping the same several huts but in a different order;
- building a city nearby;
- acquiring a tech;
- getting rid of all your settlers + settlers in production;
- exploring the territory around the village;
- any change in your army;
- acquiring a map;
- any movement.

 

[MSGT John Drew]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Some things that can (but not always will) change the outcome are - the first four even on the same turn:
- tipping the same several huts but in a different order;

not true. believe me I know. my 'vast' reload experience attests to that.