Slovenian, Bosniak and Montenegrin civ mod discussion thread

[Anima Croatorum]

As the Balkanese powder keg begins to fill its time to add these two. Ideas and suggestions are welcome.

Slovenian civ

Leader(modern): Janez Janša(Organized and Financial, favors Free Speech)

Second leader... a bit tricky. Perhaps one of the counts of Celje from late medieval periods. Does Greater Karantania count as proto-Slovenia? Any info on Valuk(Wallux dux Wenedem)?

Unique unit: mystery for now, suggestions based on historical data are welcome. Perhaps some kind of historical Carniolan or Southstyrian unit. Until then, my favorite is Kekec, a scout unit with defensive bonuses in woodland and hills.

Could someone compile a city list? Cities within Republic of Slovenia based on size or historic importance.

Bosniak civ

Leader: Mehmed Paša Sokolović(organized and philosophical, favors Organized Religion) - Grand vizier of Ottoman Empire
Leader: Husein-kapetan Gradaščević(aggressive and financial, favors Nationhood) - The Dragon of Bosnia

Unique unit: Jannisary or Sipahi, the opposite of what the Turkish mod is currently using.

City list... hot, steaming and rather delicate. The best idea would be to compile it from cities where Bosniaks were majority at the time of the '91. census, since this civ does not represent entire Bosnia-Herzegovina, but just one of its three ethnicities.

Montenegrin civ

Leader:Mihajlo(aggressive and spiritual, favors Hereditary Rule) - First King of Duklja
Leader:Nikola I(aggressive and philosophical, favors Nationhood) - King of Montenegro

Unique unit: Armed worker(and perhaps armed settler), unlike other workers, this one would have combat stats equal to scouts but with movement penalty(max. movement 1)

City list... cities that are today part of Montenegro sorted out by size or historic importance.

 

[VetLegion]

:b: if you're going to do this.

For Slovenians, I have reservations about Karantania, but if Slovenians agree, why not? We all have a bit exaggerated past. Their modern unit, hm... I don't know, the last war was very short. Territorial defense is not only unglamourous, it's also questionable how effective they really are. One thing for sure... don't make them a naval civ like Hungarians

Bosniaks:
How about Alija for the second leader? I think he is far more crucial for their history than, say, Tudjman is for Croatian. Let's not forget that majority of them voted for Fikret Abdic (who later split), so one could say that Alija almost singlehandedly moulded them into the nation they are today. The whole islamization thing is his project.

Jannisary for the "old" unit. Modern unit... some city garrison unit with weak attack but determined defense seems appropriate based on last war.

Montenegrin...
I don't know enough about their history to comment the leaders, but c'mon, you're kidding with the worker? I don't think they will appreciate the "slow worker" joke, and it would be really hard to play with ... a slow worker

These topics deserve to be pondered longer but that's all I have for now.

 

[Shqype]

Leader:Nikola I(aggressive and philosophical, favors Nationhood) - King of Montenegro

Krajl Nikolla wasn't a good leader , he had no honor and broke his word often.

 

[VetLegion]

Shqype, is the Albanian civ in the making?

 

[Shqype]

Yes it is ... I'm waiting for the 3D leaderheads to be made. The people I asked to help me are currently busy people , as their skills are requested by all , but hopefully soon they will find the time to help me out so that I can release the civ.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

For Slovenians, I have reservations about Karantania, but if Slovenians agree, why not? We all have a bit exaggerated past. Their modern unit, hm... I don't know, the last war was very short. Territorial defense is not only unglamourous, it's also questionable how effective they really are. One thing for sure... don't make them a naval civ like Hungarians

I can wait for feedback and opinions about Karantania. As for the Slovenian war in '91... a seven day mock war hardly defines any army, let alone a military unit. Most of the fighting was done by truckers that blocked the roads. Why not a naval civ? How bout the Piranese fisherman instead of Workboat that can build improvements and gather resources in foreign teritorial waters? J/K

Bosniaks:
How about Alija for the second leader? I think he is far more crucial for their history than, say, Tudjman is for Croatian. Let's not forget that majority of them voted for Fikret Abdic (who later split), so one could say that Alija almost singlehandedly moulded them into the nation they are today. The whole islamization thing is his project.

I'd prefer not to include Izetbegović the same way I'd prefer not to include Tuđman, they're too fresh and too controversial. And I dont agree on the islamization part, it was more a continuation of nationalization that started with Gradašćević and continued through Kallay, Burian and Kardelj.

Jannisary for the "old" unit. Modern unit... some city garrison unit with weak attack but determined defense seems appropriate based on last war.

Just one unit. Both Jannisary and Sipahi are recognizable. Modern unit... I'm not familiar with their army enough, the only thing they had specific within Europe were the Mujahedin, and I'm not implementing them.

Montenegrin...
I don't know enough about their history to comment the leaders, but c'mon, you're kidding with the worker? I don't think they will appreciate the "slow worker" joke, and it would be really hard to play with ... a slow worker

Well, there are advantages... He wouldnt get eaten by a bear or get captured. Its just a suggestion until a better one comes along.

These topics deserve to be pondered longer but that's all I have for now.

Agreed. Feedback from all three groups is required, there's no reason to bother coding until some minimum is agreed upon.

 

[VetLegion]

How bout the Piranese fisherman instead of Workboat that can build improvements and gather resources in foreign teritorial waters?

About controversy and critical distance, I think it's a non issue really. Civilization I had Stalin, Civilization IV has Mao, then there's Ghenghis Khan... few historical figures aren't controversial. Controversial things Alija or Tudjman did don't even approach the things Mao did.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Mao and Stalin happened far away, these two are from my own backyard. I'll have to think it over. I'd simply prefer to let sleeping dogs lie and not to get involved in possible flames.

 

[Kyriakos]

Who will the albanian lh's be? I suspect Kastrioti as the one, but the second?

 

[Shqype]

Yes, Kastrioti is the leader of the Albanians ... as for a second leader, I have not yet decided. Perhaps there will not be a second leader. No one even comes as close as Kastrioti to be put as a leader of the Albanians.

Someone suggested Mother Teresa to me, but she wasn't a leader of Albanians. But it would be interesting to have her, with her traits being financial and organized

For the Montenegrin UU , the armed worker seems fine. If not, then I thought about allowing them to have an armed settler. Not only does this unit have defense, but when it founds a city it gets left behind as a warrior (when the Armed Settler founds a new city a warrior unit is created).

To be more historically accurate though, I would prefer the armed worker... that way they can attack and steal workers from other civs.

 

[Pentium]

Well, my guess would be Kučan rather than Janša (he was th first president, after all, and he gave The speach). You can keep the traits.

The second leader (if we need one), could be Karantanian. Too bad I don't know any of them, just the one that sold us to Bavaria

As for the UU, Partizan seems good, they are quite praised here. Another option is Territorial Defence (teritorialna obramba). Kekec is a movie character, not a unit.

Oh, yeah, if you want a realistic UU, add Jožko Joras.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Well for the Slovenian leader, I'm rather ambivalent. Kučan or Janša, its same to me, so Kučan it will be. No second leader, less work for me.

As for the unique unit... territorial defence... a beefed up machine gunner? If its territorial defence, then it should not be able to attack, and making any late game unit not able to attack would cripple Slovenia. Perhaps machine gunner would be best, although it is out of context. Do you know any historic slovenian regiments from Austria-Hungary? Perhaps a WWI one?

Also, could you compile a city list, cities in Republic of Slovenia sorted by size or importance.

About the flag, we gotta use this one:

And Kekec could still be an adventurous scout.

 

[VetLegion]

For the Montenegrin UU , the armed worker seems fine. If not, then I thought about allowing them to have an armed settler. Not only does this unit have defense, but when it founds a city it gets left behind as a warrior (when the Armed Settler founds a new city a warrior unit is created).

Now an armed settler, that I quite like :b:

 

[Pentium]

Where did you find that flag?

A beefed up Machine-gun could be fine for Slovenia, we never invaded anyone. Most of the Slovenes in Austro-Hungarian army escaped (or tried to escape) to Italy, so that's not a good UU.

I could provide you the city list, but I'll be probably offline for a week. OTOH, I'll have more time for research.

Montrenegro Armed settler idea sounds a little ... strange. But if it's possible to include, why not? A little different UU.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Where did you find that flag?

The shame of recent Slovenian politics is available at wikipedia. I'm in no hurry. Once all elements are in place I'll put it together.

 

[Shqype]

Now an armed settler, that I quite like :b:

Yea, I figured, that way they won't have to waste shields in the beginning of the game on military units to escort settlers. They could just build cities in areas not yet brought in under a state (which resembles their history).

 

[sosco]

Heya all.

This thread looks inactive for a while but ill give a shot.

For Slovenian leader would be much more suitable: King Samo (around 623 ad)or : Hervard Turjaški (born 1528 ).

If this thread is still active Anima just give me some sign, and ill provide you with city names, importance sorted.....