Split from Serbia as a playable civ

[Psycho]

Anima:

http://ludovit-stur.biography.ms/
Here is quit a lot about Stur. It`s in English I just haven;t seen any picture of him on that web site. Most likely the only web site about him in English. However if going to google and typing "Ľudovít Štúr biografia" it gives you many links on different refferates and articles, but only in Slovak...

Here you have a PDF with his portrait.
http://www.kskls.sk/Ludovit_Stur.pdf

As far as YU and Yugoslavians. YUGOSLAVIA WAS THE HAPPIEST AND MOST PEACEFULL PERIOD OF THE HISTORY OF ALL SOUTHERN SLAVS. We all(understand "Czechoslovaks") admired your Tito`s socialism with opened borders, your life standard, everything. YU was AMERICA for us! Chick who married a yugoslovian was a lucky one and all her friends have envied her she escaed from here to rich Yugoslavia. It was worse when they returned back to CS together with their husbands and kids 10-20 years later just to avoid f****n civil war and all madness what happened in your countries... And as I heard, CS was not far enough. I heard rumours about all foreign Serbs also had to go on military service during civil war. I heard about one serbian/czech family. Czech mother had a YU passport for herself and her kids `couse during communism she could travel to the west with it, with Czechoslovak passsport she could go only to Hungary, Bulgaria, etc. But she forget to cancel her and her sons YU citizenships, passports and nationalities or I don`t know what everything they had when it all started in 1991... Later in 90`s her sons recieved letters from YU conscripting them to YU army (even if they maybe have never been to Serbia) and they had to go south there and kill people in unknown civil war and one of them died there. That`s a story I heard, but believe can be at least in the main point based on reality.

WHole YU problem is a big stain and shame of all SLAVs. Killing brothers each other just for the profit foreign powers. All NATO bastards, Arabian world and unfortunatelly also "big Slavic brother" RUSSIA were earning money of Yugoslavian blood.
BTW, we mentioned our Vladimir Meciar earlier today. During his reign Slovakia would never allow NATO bombers to fly through our territory during actions against YU in 1999. I remember US bombers flying over Bratislava non-stop all for several days. I can`t imagine how the places where it "unloaded" it`s shipment looked like thereafter...
I think this was the main reason why Meciar he has quickly replaced by that filthy small rat Dzurinda in 1998. Czechoslovakia was devided among Bruxelles and Moscow, but Russia overrated himself and when realized SLovakia is for them too much effort for no or almost no benefit, sold us to EU and NATO. Just like it did with Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania and other similar countries...
Only strong Russia can guarantee Slavic nations their independence. No more Russian superpower, no more freedom for SLavs and turning them to Slaves of MacDonalds, Peugeots, VWs, KIAs, IBMs, KPMGs, etc. etc.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Now only to decide on a unique unit...

Yugoslavia was never a paradise, and while alive, Tito managed to delay conflicts that were inevitable.

As for Mother Russia. I feel the hairs on the back of my neck tingling. The traditional 'enemy' of all non-orthodox slavs. If events had turned out how they intended I'd be long dead by now. Those Hungarian AK-47 came in handy.

It is a good thing that the Empire had been resurrected. Frau Plassnik showed teeth last month. With Austria and Hungary behind our backs, nothing bad can happen to Croatia.

As for Dzurinda, it took serious balls to openly go against Britain, Sweden and the State Department and side with Croatia.

I shop at BILLA, tank gas at OMV, drive a KIA Spectra, own a RBA Mastercard, PBZ Intessa Maestro and Visa Electron debit cards, have a Nokia GSM on VIP Vodafone. I drink Belgian, Czech and Bavarian beer, eat Belgian and Swiss chocolate. What more could I ask for? The best things in the world are mine.

 

[Grega]

With Austria and Hungary behind our backs, nothing bad can happen to Croatia.

That is not entirely corect, because u can hear a visper in Slovenija abaut referendum, if Hrvaska should became member of EU. And u know what that mean...

 

[SG-1]

I belive the reason that Slovenians, Croats, Serbians,... understand each other is that (expeialy Slovenians and Croats) have lived in the same state since the times of Austria - Hungary. But the differences of both nationes and thei interest proved too big and the disagreement grew bigger and bigger... Thank god that we live in 21st century... in what is happening betwen Slovenia and Croatia would happen maybe in ealry 20th century...we would probablybe in war. Anyway i like Croatia expecialy island of Pag! And anima croatium...there is one car manufacturer in Slovenia - TAM

 

[Anima Croatorum]

@Grega: Referendum, schmeferendum. Rupel and his clowns can do their little boasts to avert the eyes of the public from real problems, but that wont do much when the time of decision comes. Slovenian economy is far too dependant on Croatian market. Too many jobs depend on how Slovenia is percieved in Croatia. And vice versa, we export a lot into Slovenia as well. They better listen to Drnovšek before Slovenian companies start ganging up on them. Beware of Kolinska and Droga Portorož.

@SG-1: There is nothing really happening between Slovenia and Croatia, its a squabble over 10,000€ of fish a year. And its rather useful to put it into the media to spend less time showing the real issues, like economy, education, health... stuff that matters. Even a hundred years ago, there would never be a war over something so small and insignificant.

Anyway, when Slovenia was thinking of changing the flag, there were quite a few jokes on that account. Like renaming the country to Morenija to differentiate it from Slovakia and renaming Koper to Otvorenomorsk so that all the world knows that Morenija has open seas access.

Just wait until Venice, Kaernten, Istra and Rijeka set their sights on Koper...

TAM? What is it? How does it work? How does it look? Can you eat it?

And finally, lets talk about Slovenian civ.
What about leaders?
Janez Janša(aggressive, organized) - Prime Minister of Slovenia(and great war hero)
Valuk(spiritual, expansive) - Duke of Great Karantania(are there any paintings or statues of him, anywhere?)

As for unique unit, how bout Kekec. He's the best known Slovenian, always gets into all sorts of trouble and manages to get out safely.

Kekec - Scout
Promotions: Guerilla I&II, Woodsman I&II

 

[Velja]

These are somewhat different, there was never a major cultural difference. Back in HYW these were simply different dynasties, but ruled over the same people. Perhaps LAnkou can fill you in on the details.

Major cultural difference?? Between Serbia and Montenegro? Interesting.... If we have a major cultural difference, than today Serbia should be divided into 5-6 states.


P.S.
Please people, no more talk about ex-YU states in this thread.
The title is SERBIA.

 

[Ferital]

Thanks Velja, what a great idea to make Serbs as a playable civ!

If if could, I would change the entire hajduk model though.

Живела Србија!

sorry, non-slavian

english : slavian
french : slave

english: slave
french: esclave

note that slave, slavian, esclave all come from a greek word meaning slavian who were the main greek slave at this time....
that's why alexander went to anarchy and choose emancipation, so dumb french people like me won't do any mistake like this one

Salut le Breton du coin !

Juste pour préciser que la relation entre slave et esclave n'a pas été prouvée jusqu'à présent. Par contre, il est certain que des tribus slaves ne furent jamais les esclaves des Grecs, mais plutôt des Avars.

In english: I want to clarify that the link between slave and Slav hasn't been proven yet. However it is sure that some Slavic tribes were never Greeks' slaves, but rather Avars' slaves.

 

[Psycho]

Anima: Then you are an really cool guy. While being in HR I tank gas at INA, drink only Jamnica (or my friends Karlovačko), I love your perfect cheese, even if it`s very expensive...
I have never eaten at McDOnalds, don`t even know Belgians are brewing any beer, have never eaten Swiss chocolate (I am not buying these stuffs at all) or driven other car than Skoda and also don`t have a Visa credit card... My motto, is what`s our - it`s the best! Unfortunatelly, there`s not much left... Croatia is the 2nd most beautyfull country in all over the world, right after Slovenia. Slovenia is 1/3 size of Slovkia but has EVERYTHING, beautyfull Jadran coast (even if very small, but still), 3000 meters high Julian Alps and also fertile lowlands at Lendava. YU was beautyfull big country. Superb beaches in Croatia, high mountains with lot of snow in all other federation states... Now you have mines all over Bosnia and 1/5 of Croatia... Fortunatelly there are no mines in Macedonia, `couse locals would walk on them if seeing "mine" signs...
Everybody always wanted to own land of south slavs, couse it`s perfect place to live, you have managed to survive and keep the land for centuries. Don`t loose everything! I feel sad hearing young Slovenians speaking they are not Slavs but Italians... What a <deleted>! Than I am a mixture of albanian shepherd and bosnian female gypsy...
WHen Dzurinda holded side of Croatia? Maybe he said he wants CRO in EU, but it`s his role. He`s paid for seing it. Dzurinda definitelly has no balls. After all, all Slovaks love Croatia and spending their holidays there even if Croatia is more and more expensive every year while tourist services and kindness of locals toward tourists is lacking the famous slavic hospitality, but who cares. I am not going to Croatia for Croats, but for your Jadran. You can learn a lot how to deal with tourists eg. from Greeks. But still, when I heard experiences of my friends who were in Egypt, Tunisia, etc. You are still gentlemen comparing with them.

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[Turner]

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[Corey]

I just don't understand people who claim that Serbs and Montenigers are different nations?!They have the same origin,language and now we live in the same state!That's the same with Croatian people.We have the same language(you claim we don't but it is totaly same!) and origin.Just big problems and missunderstandings divited us so we hate each other!That's so pathetic.