vassals and resources?

[domze]

I don't quite understand this.
According to the manual a vassal has to give you any resource you request or cause war if he denies. If I understand correctly, denying a resource is the only way of getting a master-vassal war.
I play Russia and I got Korea to capitulate. They appear to have the only horses on continent, so I request them - the dialog says something like "time for your tribute..blah.. blah... denial means war... blah blah...". He gives in. So far so good, but a (long) while later he pops up with the "we no longer wish this trade" dialog and stops giving me horses. I call him again and want to press him, but when I select his horses I'm getting the "what would you want..." instead of "time for your tribute..." option in the dialog.
What's going on? He's still my vassal, how come he can suddenly tell me to freak off?

 

[domze]

Um... No one can tell me how it is supposed to work?

 

[witten]

I was also curious about exactly what you told. Once with my vassal, I had an option like "give me this as a tribute or else war is the only consequence" or something. I gave it a shot to see if war actually breaks out, but they accepted my unreasonable demand. The other time, a vassal who capitulated to me ignored my requests the way you experienced. My (pure) guess is they weren't afraid of me because I can't ever break vassal relation and attack them anyhow. (regarding this, see my thread titled "two diplomacy question....") I can't remember whether the former example was with wartime or peaceful vassal.

 

[Scaramanga]

Maybe this should be asked in the Warlords forum since it concerns elements found only in the expansion pack.

 

[witten]

Maybe this should be asked in the Warlords forum since it concerns elements found only in the expansion pack.

You are right. Since this forum is not specifically titled Civ4 original or vanilla, and vassal is a diplomacy extra rather than standalone new feature, I often find it confusing where to post.

I found a decent thread on vassal state in Warlords board that applies.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=189347

 

[lbhhh]

The "refusal means war" option only comes up for the first ressource you're extorting". Cancel all your deals with the vassal and then the first thing you ask should have the war threat option back.