Whales Rock

[zcole89]

Started a game this morning before work with Persia on Emperor Level. Now I admit I put the game on Legendary start, but, it was my first attempt to play Emperor after beating King 2 times in a row. I got a coastal city on a river, with 1 fur, 1 deer, 2 fish, 3 whales. Since the deer is lame, and the fur could wait, I did not build a worker at all, instead I relied on stealing one from either barbs or a city state.

I tromped around the terrain looking for barbs to kill for gold. After a nice hut (105gold) and a few barb camps later, I had enough gold to purchase my first work boat while I was working on a Settler. The next turn my work boat emerged and I had him working a whaling tile. That very same turn I traded said whales to Washington, and bought another boat. The next turn same thing, traded my whales to Elizabeth, and bought yet another boat.

At this point I had gotten my worker, my 2nd city was down, and I had the furs being worked, with a neg 1 in happiness. I traded my 3rd whale to Alexander for more loot, and bought a 2nd settler. It is currently 2280BC, I am almost done with Stonehenge, and I have 3 cities down. With all the whales tiles being worked in the main city, my GP per turn is currently 22. This is the richest start I have had to date. I cannot wait to get those seaports.

Whales equal early game monopoly if you play your cards right. When you have the income of 4 out of the 5 nations, you win in the early game.

 

[aisle5]

Water tile resources do indeed rock. Played a game where I started on tundra land but had 4 fish tiles and one pearl spots within easy reach. A lighthouse and seaport later and my capital was pumping out tons of production, gold and food.

 

[delra]

Shame that normal water tiles are as weak as mines. They totally dropped the ball on those and coastal cities suck as much as mining cities.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Why would a random village with no resources nearby be expected to be worthwhile? Maybe if it had the Colossus or something, but otherwise?

 

[grandad1982]

Started a game before work?????!!!! I'd have to get up at 5AM to do this. Thats a bad life strategy

 

[zcole89]

Started a game before work?????!!!! I'd have to get up at 5AM to do this. Thats a bad life strategy

I get up at 6, I do not have to be at work until 9, and I am only 5 min from my job. I get up and play daily. Civ goes well with coffee. As a father, the mornings, and late nights are all I get sir. A bad life strategy is commented poorly on something you have no clue about.

 

[bhavv]

Look what I just got, random map, standard resouces:



WTB Workboats, Lighthouse, and Seaport.

 

[grandad1982]

I get up at 6, I do not have to be at work until 9, and I am only 5 min from my job. I get up and play daily. Civ goes well with coffee. As a father, the mornings, and late nights are all I get sir. A bad life strategy is commented poorly on something you have no clue about.

Sorry! I think we got our wires crossed! I ment it would be bad for me! I get up at 6 to start work at 7.30. I'm a tree surgeon so I'm usually quite tired after work. This takes precious Civ time away from me as I have to be in bed early (before 11 ) as I don't want to cut my arm off!

It was only ment as a light hearted quip and was pocking fun at me as much as anyone else. I apologise if I caused offence as non was intended, in fact quite the opposit

Do your children play Civ?

 

[grandad1982]

@ bhavv

Marble and Egypt to boot. Nice. Does the Obselete wonderspam work in civ5?

 

[elijahtary]

Look what I just got, random map, standard resouces:

WTB Workboats, Lighthouse, and Seaport.

How many restarts did that one take? I'd love to have that to start out for a Cultural victory...

 

[DiamondPirate]

Why would a random village with no resources nearby be expected to be worthwhile? Maybe if it had the Colossus or something, but otherwise?

Whilst I would agree inland, on the coast I kinda disagree. I dont think there many spots on the coast that havent been habited by humans at some point in history. Coasts are so rich in food. I personally think Coastal tiles should be 2 food and no gold. Possibily with work boats given the option to put down fishing spots on plain coastal tiles to give it +1 gold (and maybe even +1 food with a later tech)

 

[bhavv]

Does the Obselete wonderspam work in civ5?

Only two wonders seem to go obsolete in Civ V, and its strange that they do. Most of the wonders are very useful and powerful, and the great person points are very good to have.

Exploring my map revealed a second coastal site with 5 seafoods, and a lush inner location on the continent with lots of deers, furs, and cows:



The only problem is that China and Songhai are right next to those sites, so Instead of settler spamming I''ll be War Chariot spamming instead to wipe them out and puppeting their capitals.

I'll focus on wonder spamming in Thebes, and rush buying Chariots as I save up enough gold, it only takes about 3 chariots and a warrior to capture cities early on, and Egypt dont need horses so early rush will be a must if I want space on this continent.

How many restarts did that one take? I'd love to have that to start out for a Cultural victory...

Lots and lots and lots. Theres two Irrational cultural city states nearby, which are good enough (Irrational = normal influence decay, but with more hostile demands).

 

[eewallace]

Whales are awesome, and fish are pretty good and, from what I've seen, quite plentiful. I have had several seacoast starts that worked fine. One big difference I've found with Civ V in contrast to Civ IV is that (at least from what I've seen so far using random continents maps) triremes can usually get to other islands/continents. I've been using an early exploring trireme to make early contact with city-states, which makes a huge difference later in the game when I've got my economy going full-blast.

 

[jaldaen]

I had one start as Elizabeth where I had 3 whale tiles, 4 fish tiles, 1 silver tile, 1 deer tile, and one sheep tile. Unfortunately, it was before I realized there was the "loading from within the game" bug... and so I had to quit the game because the saved games bloated to unmanageable proportions and took forever to load (at the time I thought it was that particular map that was having problems).

 

[zcole89]

Sorry! I think we got our wires crossed! I ment it would be bad for me! I get up at 6 to start work at 7.30. I'm a tree surgeon so I'm usually quite tired after work. This takes precious Civ time away from me as I have to be in bed early (before 11 ) as I don't want to cut my arm off!

It was only ment as a light hearted quip and was pocking fun at me as much as anyone else. I apologise if I caused offence as non was intended, in fact quite the opposit

Do your children play Civ?

No, she does not. She is 7, and I already have her hooked on Dragon Quest 9 for her DS, but, Civ is not up her ally......yet.. She started with design games, like dresses and jewelry, but, that shite would not fly with me.

No harm no foul sir.

 

[bhavv]

I built two settlers during my first golden age and managed to claim the two sites I wanted, but without war I wont have anymore room to expand



Waiting for another war chariot rush buy and will build a pikeman after my workboat (need some clams for )

 

[King Jason]

With a seaport that capital has 12 free production. I say free because once you build a seaport (and lighthouse) there's virtually no reason not to work a sea resource.

Fish = 4f 2p 3g
Pearls = 2f 2p 4g
Whale = 3f 2p 3g

in addition to minted Gold and Silver, sea resources have the highest yield of any tile in the game. More importantly they are at the very least (pearls) food neutral.

Heliopolis will see 10 production... insane start.

 

[Khan Quest]

I get up at 6, I do not have to be at work until 9, and I am only 5 min from my job. I get up and play daily. Civ goes well with coffee. As a father, the mornings, and late nights are all I get sir. A bad life strategy is commented poorly on something you have no clue about.

Me too. Dad, up at 6, work at 9. My only free time.