What do you think about esotericism?

[Grille]

Well, I'm a bit (or better: extremely...) prejudiced against any esoteric stuff.
My aversion starts if someone seriously talks about e.g. 'flows of negative (or positive) energy' and it gets its climax if some crook, who is 'in the know', starts to rip off others explaining the crap during a work-shop.

Who did define these obscure systems, coherences, rules and all that respective symbolism anyways?

I don't know, maybe this is kind of an ersatz-religion which actually helps to get stability into someone's life, but I cannot imagine to draw important decisions based upon certain (to me) obscure rules...

 

[betazed]

Well, I'm a bit (or better: extremely...) prejudiced against any esoteric stuff.
My aversion starts if someone seriously talks about e.g. 'flows of negative (or positive) energy' and it gets its climax if some crook, who is 'in the know', starts to rip off others explaining the crap during a work-shop.

Who did define these obscure systems, coherences, rules and all that respective symbolism anyways?

I don't know, maybe this is kind of an ersatz-religion which actually helps to get stability into someone's life, but I cannot imagine to draw important decisions based upon certain (to me) obscure rules...

You completely lost me. :confusion:

Care to elaborate on that and explain it in a less esoteric way

 

[Grille]

You completely lost me. :confusion:

Care to elaborate on that and explain it in a less esoteric way

Hehe.

For example, a friend of mine is convinced (after being told by some weird guru) to benefit from the 'energy that flows through' blooming colza by sitting in the middle of the field.
Well, I like to look at blooming colza, it's indeed a nice impression, but that 'energy flow' - that's where I'm completly lost.

 

[luiz]

I also dislike esoterism.

 

[Tassadar]

I think esoterism is mysticism 's derivative ( or deviation) created by poeple to make money on credulous human nature.

Take a newspaper and you will find people claiming they can read your futur into crystal ball for 50 $....... and they have custumer.

 

[Sanaz]

First I looked up the definition of esoteric, because I usually find that I think I know th emeaning of common words when I really do not. Here's the definitions I found: "designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone", "requiring or exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group", "difficult to understand", "limited to a small circle", "of special, rare, or unusual interest".

Every field of knowledge has esoteric aspects. When I'm at work (internet security), we use words and shortcuts that would make it impossible for someone who isn't immersed in the field to know what we're talking about. But, if we spoke in "lay terms", we could never get our work done.

Same for "the energy that flows through blooming colza". When you live in a place like I do, it's everyday talk that every 5-year old understands (except we don't have colza here). But, in most places, it's nonsensical, and not a part of everyday language/discussion.

 

[DvR]

Oh I can't stand it.. There's this commercial on Dutch television with a guy in it trying to sell necklaces which should supply you with the perfect amount of positive/negative energy, the 'Biostabil 2000'... It is 'scientifically tested' , and they even go as far as saying that if your doctor is unable to help you with your complaint, the Biostabil 2000 is the answer to all your problems..
Such a load of crap..

 

[cgannon64]

Esoteric? Doesn't that mean something that isn't widely known? Like an esoteric reference?

They made that into a religion?

 

[Mescalhead]

Well, I'm a bit (or better: extremely...) prejudiced against any esoteric stuff.
My aversion starts if someone seriously talks about e.g. 'flows of negative (or positive) energy' and it gets its climax if some crook, who is 'in the know', starts to rip off others explaining the crap during a work-shop.

Who did define these obscure systems, coherences, rules and all that respective symbolism anyways?

I don't know, maybe this is kind of an ersatz-religion which actually helps to get stability into someone's life, but I cannot imagine to draw important decisions based upon certain (to me) obscure rules...

It's usually the child of ancient philophies and Gnostic religionism. It strokes the ego by letting those privy to whatever esotericism feel as though they alone know this secret formula for understanding the universe and the secrets therein. It probably made sense hundred of years ago as they offer a more practical and direct method of coming to grips with reality than monotheism. But with the advent of the scientific method, they are going the ways of all imaginative and baseless logical/illogical constructs.

Some esotericism acknowledges that they do not exist in accordance with the scientific methods, and when understanding the nature of the mind, science is currently useless. Therefore using older traditions such as Kaballah, Sufism, Medieval Goetia, Rosicrucianism and the like are merely ways of ordering or diciplining the thought process into being effective on a purely thought-execution level. Unfortunately what often makes these diciplines unweildy or incongruent with reality is the fact that many make presumptions on metaphysics, though many do not and can offer wisdom and applicative techniques.

 

[poob]

Oh I can't stand it.. There's this commercial on Dutch television with a guy in it trying to sell necklaces which should supply you with the perfect amount of positive/negative energy, the 'Biostabil 2000'... It is 'scientifically tested' , and they even go as far as saying that if your doctor is unable to help you with your complaint, the Biostabil 2000 is the answer to all your problems..
Such a load of crap..

You really have such commercials in Holland? Why that's just crazy

In Denmark we have a commercial for a Power Plant that uses some environmentally safer fuels (instead of coal and oil). This guy flys around in yoga position with flowers and beams of color. They actually promises to supply you with the right amount of positive energy...