Churches found to have been abusing children entrusted to them in Germany

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As I'm in an anti-church rant mode lately, here's one piece of news which discusses how the Catholic Church, along with protestant ones, abused tens of thousands of children in West Germany during the 1950s, 60s and 70s:


Germany admits enslaving and abusing a generation of children

Government agrees up to €120m in compensation for three decades of post-war 'Nazi-era' brutality in foster homes
By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Tuesday, 14 December 2010

Germany has owned up to one of the most disturbing examples of mass child and youth abuse in its post-war history, some 60 years after the first teenagers started being locked away and mistreated by supposedly "caring" foster homes.

The country agreed yesterday to provide a €120m (£101m) compensation fund for the estimated 30,000 victims who were among the 800,000 children in German foster homes in the Fifties, Sixties and Seventies.

Institutions that for decades meted out inhuman treatment – including ritual beatings, periods of solitary confinement, forced labour and sexual assaults – were not youth remand centres or borstals as might be expected, but homes run by nuns and priests in former West Germany's Catholic and Protestant churches, as well as state-run homes.
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Der Spiegel magazine, which broke the story of widespread abuse in German foster homes in 2003, concluded that the mistreatment was systematic: "Between 1945 and 1970, the worst educational practices of the Nazi era continued virtually unabated in these barrack like foster homes."

Those Nazi-era practices included beatings for petty offences like using too much soap or "nose picking" and incarceration in solitary confinement cells for "daring to hum" pop songs.

One victim, who refused to be named, recalled in a radio interview this week that a standard foster home punishment for talking at night was being made to stand naked in an unheated corridor until a freshly lit new candle had burned itself out. "It meant standing naked all night," he said.
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In thousands of cases, teenagers were dispatched for long periods of incarceration in foster homes for committing offences that nowadays would be passed off simply as part of growing up. One woman victim, now in her mid-sixties, was shut away in a Catholic -run home at the age of 15.

Her crime was that she spent the night with her boyfriend and had failed to return home. Her mother convinced the local youth authorities and the courts that she was a danger to herself and society.

Shame and fear of further discrimination meant that the former inmates of Germany's foster homes of the Fifties and Sixties remained silent about the abuse they suffered for decades. When they approached their former homes, they were stonewalled and told to go away.

However, a handful were encouraged to come forward and tell their stories in 2002 after the release of British director Peter Mullan's acclaimed film The Magdelene Sisters, which exposed the plight of supposedly "fallen" girls held in Catholic-run foster homes in Ireland in the 1960s.
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Gisela remembers being locked up in solitary confinement at the age of 15 for having the audacity to hum an Elvis Presley song. For two years she worked for 10 hours a day folding sheets and ironing. There was no pay.

"We were juvenile slave labourers," Mrs Nurthen, now in her mid-60s, said. "We were given numbers and only allowed to move about in pairs, to church, to the lavatory and to meals," she said.

Mrs Nurthen spent two years in a Catholic Church-run foster home in Dortmund during the 1960s. "The people who ran these homes, the religious orders, Germany's juvenile justice authorities and the churches – they all owe us an explanation," she said.

She was sent to the home run by the Charitable Sisters of the order of St Vincent de Paul. Her crime was that she had failed to return home after a night out dancing with her boyfriend.

She was picked up by the police the following morning trying to hitch hike back to her single parent mother. Her mother informed the local authorities and 24 hours later a juvenile court dispatched her to the home after ruling that she was "in danger of committing further acts of depravity".

She remembers being taken into a room by a nun and ordered to put on one of the institution's grey uniform dresses. The slightest transgressions brought beatings and other punishments from the nuns. "We were watched over every minute of the day. When we undressed for the night the nuns stared at our private parts and checked that they were 'washed clean'," she said.

Evil. After Ireland also until recent times, I wonder until when these same things happened in other countries too. I know that in Switzerland the same practice by the state to arrest teenagers who were "in danger of committing acts of depravity" also happened at least until the 1970s.
 
I pray for the souls of both the abused and the abusers, and that justice be done, and that forgiveness be given.

Can the Catholic Church just stop existing already?

I take it you're also against public education? Given that public school teachers are over 100 times more likely to be abusers than Catholics.
 
Are they considering just a good old-fashioned paddling as a 'beating' here? I know Euros are freaky about that.
 
This has been over for 40 years. Why even bother to criticize the Church only now for this? If they stopped and the people are getting compensation what more could you want? On top of that, the German government appears to be at the very least complicit in this, meaning they should be getting as much criticism.
 
This has been over for 40 years. Why even bother to criticize the Church only now for this? If they stopped and the people are getting compensation what more could you want?

:lol: This is literally the worst sort of apologism. "Oh why can't we all just forget about it!"
 
Public recognition and remembrance?

:lol: This is literally the worst sort of apologism. "Oh why can't we all just forget about it!"


Apologist? I'm not even Catholic or religious. I'm just asking why be so shocked and appalled at the modern Catholic Church for this? Given this sounds to me like the public recognition and remembrance that is justified (and probably only the beginning of it), people should be happy and relieved that practices like this are no longer going on (or at the very least are being combated and are comparatively rare now) and being recognized instead of being angry at the Church for something that happened 40 years ago. It's not the same church it was in the 1970s, let alone the 1950s and first half of the 1960s. I just expected a lot more posts saying "thank goodness that things are improving" rather than using events from three generations ago as justification to dissolve the Catholic Church.
 
It is horrible, but we should do whatever compensation we can, then leave it in the past and move on.
 
Apologist? I'm not even Catholic or religious. I'm just asking why be so shocked and appalled at the modern Catholic Church for this? Given this sounds to me like the public recognition and remembrance that is justified (and probably only the beginning of it), people should be happy and relieved that practices like this are no longer going on (or at the very least are being combated and are comparatively rare now) and being recognized instead of being angry at the Church for something that happened 40 years ago. It's not the same church it was in the 1970s, let alone the 1950s and first half of the 1960s. I just expected a lot more posts saying "thank goodness that things are improving" rather than using events from three generations ago as justification to dissolve the Catholic Church.

(Underlined) The Vatican has set itself very high standards ever since its founding, yet they still can't adhere to them which is why we, the people, criticise them and are "appalled and shocked" by news of sexual abuse in the catholic church. It's the only way to get the message through to them. What's more, it's not just in Ireland and Germany, it's everywhere in the christian/western world.

Yes, things are improving but when the catholic church is covering up the truth, it means that they haven't really changed at all.

Can the Catholic Church just stop existing already?

This is a little extreme, even though at times I would agree to this. The catholic church has done some good things but it is their utter ignorance of science and their double-standards (such as the news of sexual abuse, yet they follow a vow of celibacy) that should not exist in the church. :rolleyes:
 
(Underlined) The Vatican has set itself very high standards ever since its founding, yet they still can't adhere to them which is why we, the people, criticise them and are "appalled and shocked" by news of sexual abuse in the catholic church. It's the only way to get the message through to them. What's more, it's not just in Ireland and Germany, it's everywhere in the christian/western world.

Yes, things are improving but when the catholic church is covering up the truth, it means that they haven't really changed at all.

Not saying it didn't happen, but no conspiratorial cover up was mentioned in the article. Of course those involved in the abuse would not be too eager to come out and admit to it, but no evidence was presented that this was a higher up Church condoned practice. based on what I read, it seems that this is mostly in the past and probably by some overly dogmatic nuns and clergy which were much more common in the past, hence why I say that blaming the modern organization doesn't really make sense, especially when as Lightspectre mentioned and the article itself implied, abuse in public institutions is more common. A certain amount of abuse is likely in any organization of such a large size, and while that means the organization has flaws and it should take steps to correct them, it doesn't mean the Church as a whole is in the wrong in this case. Also, I'm not advocating that we shouldn't care, it's certainly a sad story, I'm only trying to be fair on where blame should be placed considering what has taken place in the last 40 years. Don't be shocked and appalled that the Church did this and blame it on organized religion or something, blame it on those actually responsible and be thankful that at least things are getting better and people are feeling comfortable coming out about abuse within the system.
 
As I'm in an anti-church rant mode lately, here's one piece of news which discusses how the Catholic Church, along with protestant ones, abused tens of thousands of children in West Germany during the 1950s, 60s and 70s:




Evil. After Ireland also until recent times, I wonder until when these same things happened in other countries too. I know that in Switzerland the same practice by the state to arrest teenagers who were "in danger of committing acts of depravity" also happened at least until the 1970s.
I like "on the one hand and on the same hand" "journalism" with zero contact with the person not contacting either civil or religious authorities. Can we like get some actually journalism here? Also I like the fact that it acknowledges it happened with Protestants and doesn't reference it again.

I'm waiting for real journalism (not Fox News journalism) before real comment

On further research a whooping 0.3% of that 800,000 actually come forward. remember 2,500≠30,000
(Underlined) The Vatican has set itself very high standards ever since its founding, yet they still can't adhere to them which is why we, the people, criticise them and are "appalled and shocked" by news of sexual abuse in the catholic church. It's the only way to get the message through to them. What's more, it's not just in Ireland and Germany, it's everywhere in the christian/western world.

Yes, things are improving but when the catholic church is covering up the truth, it means that they haven't really changed at all.



This is a little extreme, even though at times I would agree to this. The catholic church has done some good things but it is their utter ignorance of science and their double-standards (such as the news of sexual abuse, yet they follow a vow of celibacy) that should not exist in the church. :rolleyes:

maybe we should see exactly how they define said terms.
Not to belittle this (I support major investigation into this), but "ritual beatings" could have been being beaten after cursing at people or hurting others, "periods of solitary confinement" likewise, "forced labour" means "like OMG they made me harsh labor like taking out the trash and "sexual assaults" is even more vague

This appears isolated and no cover up appears to have occurred. The Catholic Church doesn't claim its members are perfect
 
I take it you're also against public education? Given that public school teachers are over 100 times more likely to be abusers than Catholics.
Public schools serve useful purposes. Public schools are not a singular organization that attempt to cover up this stuff. I am against any public schools that do attempt to cover this stuff up.
 
As I'm in an anti-church rant mode lately, here's one piece of news which discusses how the Catholic Church, along with protestant ones, abused tens of thousands of children in West Germany during the 1950s, 60s and 70s:




Evil. After Ireland also until recent times, I wonder until when these same things happened in other countries too. I know that in Switzerland the same practice by the state to arrest teenagers who were "in danger of committing acts of depravity" also happened at least until the 1970s.

First of all, this does not represent all Catholic and Protestant churches.

Second of all, the people responsible should be hanged. But Germany is stupid enough to just lock them up.
 
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