ImperialSteeze
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The same thing has happened to me three or so games in a row now. I'm trying to go for a peaceful culture victory but I end up in war with all the other major civs.
I'm playing as Ramesses(I know he might not be the best choice for a culture victory, but I love building powerful wonders), immortal difficulty, small pangea map with five AIs.
I start at a great location, river, hills, lots of wheat, incense, shielded on one side by a long mountain range etc.
The first other civ I discover is... Alexander, giddyup!
Since I know I'm gonna have to go to war with him anyway, I found my second city in the best location even though its very close to him.
Alex has denounced pretty much everyone else, they have denounced him, and when I see that he's about to attack my second city, I denounce him.
I fend him off and then capture Athens.
The other leaders are all friendly to me and OFC they like that we've denounced the same leaders.
My and Alex territory is shielded from the other civs by mountains almost all around. I want all that territory but my GPT has gone negative. So when Alex offers me massive GPT, gold and his next largest city I accept. I figure I can always take his other cities later.
I get my GPT positive and when the PT expires I take his other cities. I raze the useless ones and keep the ones in strategically good locations. I want all the territory within the mountain "shield".
Other civs are also at war with Alex but they don't accomplish much.
So, Alex is wiped off the map, I have a pretty good empire shielded from the others by mountains, good GPT, happiness etc. and I'm keeping up military wise by RAs.
So its all going well at this point, even though I don't get all the wonders I want but meh...
I've tried to pick the right leaders to be friends with. I've stepped on some toes but I can't keep up with who's friend with who and who's denounced who...
You should really be able to have a look at the diplomacy screen when someone asks for a DOF. It's like someone comes up to you in the street and says "wanna be friends!?" and you have to answer right away without thinking.
Then it happens... Persia denounces me, and goes from wanting friendly relations/being mad because I'm friend with one of their enemies, to having ten reasons to hate me.
Some rounds later he declares war and I have to spend pretty much all my attention and resources/production on defending Athens.
I manage, barely. Persia is the strongest civ in this game.
The other civs denounce me and now I'm a warmonger and whatnot.
WTF, the only civ I've denounced or declared war on is Alex, which they all hated.
I haven't gotten a single "you're too close" or "your army is too weak" the whole game.
I've turned down all, "wanna go to war with X?".
Yet, I am now the common enemy of all other civs.
Neb, declares war on me as well and I can't defend on two fronts.
GG... NOT!
I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. It seems like the other civs always find a reason to want to kill me.
And when I do manage to win, its always really late game. A lot of times I have to focus my whole empire on GPT to be able to buy off just enough CSs to keep someone from winning by "diplomacy" before I can win by culture or science.
I don't know how am I'm supposed to win any earlier than round 300 something.
Maybe I should play on continents? But that seems boring.
Any help and tips are welcome!
I'm playing as Ramesses(I know he might not be the best choice for a culture victory, but I love building powerful wonders), immortal difficulty, small pangea map with five AIs.
I start at a great location, river, hills, lots of wheat, incense, shielded on one side by a long mountain range etc.
The first other civ I discover is... Alexander, giddyup!
Since I know I'm gonna have to go to war with him anyway, I found my second city in the best location even though its very close to him.
Alex has denounced pretty much everyone else, they have denounced him, and when I see that he's about to attack my second city, I denounce him.
I fend him off and then capture Athens.
The other leaders are all friendly to me and OFC they like that we've denounced the same leaders.
My and Alex territory is shielded from the other civs by mountains almost all around. I want all that territory but my GPT has gone negative. So when Alex offers me massive GPT, gold and his next largest city I accept. I figure I can always take his other cities later.
I get my GPT positive and when the PT expires I take his other cities. I raze the useless ones and keep the ones in strategically good locations. I want all the territory within the mountain "shield".
Other civs are also at war with Alex but they don't accomplish much.
So, Alex is wiped off the map, I have a pretty good empire shielded from the others by mountains, good GPT, happiness etc. and I'm keeping up military wise by RAs.
So its all going well at this point, even though I don't get all the wonders I want but meh...
I've tried to pick the right leaders to be friends with. I've stepped on some toes but I can't keep up with who's friend with who and who's denounced who...
You should really be able to have a look at the diplomacy screen when someone asks for a DOF. It's like someone comes up to you in the street and says "wanna be friends!?" and you have to answer right away without thinking.
Then it happens... Persia denounces me, and goes from wanting friendly relations/being mad because I'm friend with one of their enemies, to having ten reasons to hate me.
Some rounds later he declares war and I have to spend pretty much all my attention and resources/production on defending Athens.
I manage, barely. Persia is the strongest civ in this game.
The other civs denounce me and now I'm a warmonger and whatnot.
WTF, the only civ I've denounced or declared war on is Alex, which they all hated.
I haven't gotten a single "you're too close" or "your army is too weak" the whole game.
I've turned down all, "wanna go to war with X?".
Yet, I am now the common enemy of all other civs.
Neb, declares war on me as well and I can't defend on two fronts.
GG... NOT!
I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. It seems like the other civs always find a reason to want to kill me.
And when I do manage to win, its always really late game. A lot of times I have to focus my whole empire on GPT to be able to buy off just enough CSs to keep someone from winning by "diplomacy" before I can win by culture or science.
I don't know how am I'm supposed to win any earlier than round 300 something.
Maybe I should play on continents? But that seems boring.
Any help and tips are welcome!