What Native American tribe do you expect/want?

[JSMCAG]

And with the pueblo debacle, perhaps they wanted to pick a "leader" that they know will not bring problems. Sacajawea is already on money, so I assume the Shoshone people shouldn't have a problem with it.

... I dunno - they might not like having a random woman who was known for following a couple of white guys around as their omnitemporal (is that a thing?) leader... Just sayin'!

At least, that's really all I can gather from her...

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

First leader holding a baby?

 

[JSMCAG]

First leader holding a baby?

HYPERCUBE civilization right here, guys!!!

It'd be nice though - they showed us how leaders used to have more people around them, and now we actually get one leader that has one more human with them!

 

[slowmotion7]

... I dunno - they might not like having a random woman who was known for following a couple of white guys around as their omnitemporal (is that a thing?) leader... Just sayin'!

At least, that's really all I can gather from her...

Sacajawea is an obvious choice, but really I mean in general. That's also why I put leader in quotations. If they are ok with her being on money, though not a leader but a historical representative of the Shoshone people, then why not a real leader. But this is only speculation, as nothing has been confirmed yet.

 

[boghog]

My google-fu let me down as far as the Shoshone are concerned. The Wikipedia article is a joke. The only thing I can say is that the mysterious barbarian axeman unit bears no resemblance to any Shoshone pictures I can find.
Can anyone characterize this people and maybe point out any known facts about them that would lend themselves to be the basis for a UA/UU/UB/UI?

 

[Leugi]

Well, Sacajawea is at least better than Pocahontas.

But, I don't know, I doubt is a leak as much as an advocating.

 

[Loaf Warden]

Well, Sacajawea is at least better than Pocahontas.

As I said in the other thread, how is Sacagawea a better leader choice than Pocahontas? Pocahontas would be a cheap and gimmicky choice, but at least she was the daughter of an actual ruler. Sacagawea was just a regular woman who went along on the Lewis and Clark expedition. As the leader of her entire civ, she makes less sense than Pocahontas.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

As near as I can interpret from the Polish forum, several posters react to the Shoshone, then one poster says that Sacagewea would be a dumb leader. I'm not sure that that person was stating a fact or skeptically speculating.

 

[Gucumatz]

If they went with Sacagewea it woul be one of the weirdest choices of a civ+leader, easily the weirdest in Civ 5. About as bad as Pocahontas, but still weird.

If so, I guess its what I feared - they wanted a recognizable leader to an American audience. I thought Tecumseh would do that and we would get a Mississippian/Shawnee hybrid. Guess not though

 

[Loaf Warden]

If so, I guess its what I feared - they wanted a recognizable leader to an American audience. I thought Tecumseh would do that and we would get a Mississippian/Shawnee hybrid. Guess not though

I hold out hope that what they wanted was a Western group to balance the map with the Iroquois, and that they went with an actual leader instead of Sacagawea. But not much hope; I'll be pleasantly surprised if that's what they've done.

If the Shoshone are even in at all. As of yet, the only evidence for it is tenuous at best.

 

[Pikachao]

If they went with Sacagewea it woul be one of the weirdest choices of a civ+leader, easily the weirdest in Civ 5. About as bad as Pocahontas, but still weird.

the difference between Pocahontas and Sacagewea is that Sacagewea has been a leader in a civ game before, civ II to be specifc. as the female leader of the Sioux (they also had Shakala for the Zulu's female leader...things were different back then.)

 

[Loaf Warden]

the difference between Pocahontas and Sacagewea is that Sacagewea has been a leader in a civ game before, civ II to be specifc. as the female leader of the Sioux (they also had Shakala for the Zulu's female leader...things were different back then.)

She wasn't a valid choice then, and she's not a valid choice now. The attempt to provide a male and female option for every civ was a noble experiment, but a failed one. That they had to use goddesses and made-up names proves that. Civ II is no justification for putting Sacagawea in Civ V.

 

[Pikachao]

She wasn't a valid choice then, and she's not a valid choice now. The attempt to provide a male and female option for every civ was a noble experiment, but a failed one. That they had to use goddesses and made-up names proves that. Civ II is no justification for putting Sacagawea in Civ V.

I know, it was kind of a joke (thus the whole Shakala thing) I should of put more emphasis on the whole Sacagewea being the leader for the wrong tribe thing.

 

[askia53]

I expect the NA civ to be the Shawnee.

After the Shawnee, I would say that adding the Taino/Carib, Navajo or Pueblo, and either the Sioux or the Inuit would be new Native American Civs I would want if we get a total of around 15 new civs in future expansions, and I would be really happy.
Beyond that, I would also like to see the Olmec, Ute, Seminole, Cherokee, Osage, and then maybe another South American native civ.

 

[ldvhl]

After the Shawnee, I would say that adding the Taino/Carib, Navajo or Pueblo, and either the Sioux or the Inuit would totally encompass the Native Americans, and I would be really happy.

There is so, so much more to Native Americans than just those selections, even if you're limiting yourself to North America, Meso-America, and the Carribean.

 

[askia53]

There is so, so much more to Native Americans than just those selections, even if you're limiting yourself to North America, Meso-America, and the Carribean.

Yea, I think "totally encompass" were the wrong words for me to use here. If we get maybe a total of 15 new Civs in DLC/a 3rd expansion, I would like at least these to be in.

 

[spacedinosaur]

Shoshone city list, anyone?

 

[ldvhl]

Shoshone city list, anyone?

I'm sure we'll get it in time. Some potentials: Battle Mountain, Big Pine, Bishop, Death Valley, Duckwater, Elko, Ely, Fort McDermitt, Goshute, Lemhi, Lone Pine, Washakie, Skull Valley, South Fork, Wells, and Wind River.

 

[mitsho]

I'm rather interested in the leader welcome text...

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'm rather interested in the leader welcome text...

Link to video.


Oh wait, wrong stereotype.