Plotinus pwned this thread and you guys are still debating...
QFT, brother
Plotinus pwned this thread and you guys are still debating...
Everyone has had their moment in the sun, (except for Africa not counting the north if we're honest,) every civilization has murdered and killed and invaded if the oppurtunity arises and of course it isn't right. Europeans repelled the Arabs from their lands and had a large army left over at their disposal, what civilization has ever been in that situation and not exploited it that has lived to tell the tale?
They really beat the crap out classical Greece and Rome.Have you ever heard of Mali. What about Songhay, Benin, Kongo, Swahili states, Great Zimbabwe, Rozwi?
Have you ever heard of Mali. What about Songhay, Benin, Kongo, Swahili states, Great Zimbabwe, Rozwi?
They really beat the crap out classical Greece and Rome.
They really beat the crap out classical Greece and Rome.
Exactly. What African empire has managed to fight its way through its own tribes and expand into the mainland? I have nothing against Africa but the more iscolated a civilization is from the mainland, the less it is "in the loop" on technology and alike.
South Africans were basically iscolated for a long time like the aborigines, so what can you expect them to do?
The first two are pre-historic civilizations. The last was already a product of foreign encroachment.
@ Innonimatu....
Hm I did not know Prehistory ended in 1834
What foreign encroachment? There are plenty of Arab and Persian merchants but the cities were largely governed by Africans.
Pre-history ends whenever a culture (or others for them) starts keeping written records. Thus it extended well into the 19th (and even 20th) century in several parts of the world.
Political power on those city-states rested with an elite formed by those merchants. Culture had been imported from the arabian peninsula, and the new elite and its culture clashed against those who lived outside the city-states. That's foreign encroachment.
The Incas and the Aztecs never keep written records, yet they developed powerful cultures.
In which case nearly all the world's existing cultures can be considered "products of foreign encroachment", since they all import culture from other civilisations. Only few cultures have evolved entirely on their own.
Take Ancient Rome for instances - its culture was imported largely from the Greeks and Etruscans, and its religion was imported from the Greeks, then from Palestine. In its early days Rome was probably controlled by an Etruscan elite, whose culture clashed with those of others.
Modern Muslims don't justify spousal abuse, and Muhammed married Aisha when she was six because she was financially insecure and needed a husband. They did not consummate their marriage until later.
Couldn't he have just adopted her? And I read an article last week written by a Muslim woman in Italy about how many Muslim women there are beaten by their husbands.
So are women of other religions. Seriously, violence against women is pretty much universal why single out Islam?
Not condoning violence against women of course. Personally I believe such people should be punish very severely.
Modern Muslims don't justify spousal abuse, and Muhammed married Aisha when she was six because she was financially insecure and needed a husband. They did not consummate their marriage until later.