Dawn of the Punic Sea [DoC]

Good update!

Are you going to encourage Spain to form a New World empire?

Atlantic Pacf. said:

Good update!

Are you going to encourage Spain to form a New World empire?

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That will happen quite naturally on its own.
European states tend to be extremely stable in RFC/DoC.



I continue to skip Lib and research Replaceable Parts instead.



The lead splittist Baalist denomination complete their grand project, The All Skies Temple.
Capital once again flows east, to Kition, the capital, as pilgrims from all across Europe to pay their respects to the sky-father.



Utica, since its founding, had not been as significant as the great ancient cities
of Constantinople, Roma or Kition. But this was soon to change as local engineers
complete the Leaning Tower in the center of the city. A structural marvel to behold,
(or at least a lucky fluke, as the foundation of the tower was responsible for the tilt)
it helped to bring in tourists from across the world to this once insignificant city.



It's really hard to keep stability up for an ancient Med. civ.
Moreso when you have multiple spawns in pretty much almost
every region within your immediate vicinity.
This was partially why I did not write a Persia story as I originally intended.
The Persia game, I would argue is a magnitude higher in difficulty,
mostly because of the land issue (although China and India are within striking distance)
so you can't "island out" against the Arabs, the Seljuqs and the Turks.



At long last, the Moorish federation collapses in ruin,
crushed under the heavy weight of Isabella's assault.
This is a pleasing development to Hannibal, as he had already
begun to look internally into his Empire to set the economy
back on track to the prosperity the Phoenicians once knew.

I'm surprised to see France vassalise the HRE.
You're doing great, by the way. Almost three times as much points as the next civ
China probably has 600-800 points though.

I'm pretty happy that my Kition strategy for Phoenicia seems to be pretty popular now.



The Red Fort is completed. It's one of the more solid wonders in the game.
It requires Islam in the city you wish to build it in (forgot the tech requirement)
and the little bonus it gives is a sweet +2 free Specialists in the city you build it in.



The Phoenicians are constructing better, faster, stronger ships.
For centuries, it has always been a mystery of what strange things lay beyond the
Straits of Gibraltar. Hannibal's newest generation of sailors are bound to find out,
with the development of the Caravel, a new ship that can withstand the rigors
of ocean travel to journey where no vessel has gone before.



I also finish the Sistine Chapel.
I normally don't go for this Wonder as you want to keep your Culture
growing somewhat slowly. If your culture spreads over too many Foreign and
Foreign Core tiles, it starts to hurt a lot. It's pretty bad unless you're
running Imperialism (a new civic that reduces the penalty for occupying Foreign Core)
and as there are better civics IMO such as Viceroyalty, you'd best take care
to monitor your culture and border pops.



Uh-oh.

No cities in Anatolia means they'll end up with Tabriz or something and you can stomp them.

Do AI Turks flip Byzantion if it's player-controlled but you're not the Byzantines? Not that you'd give it to them...

Oh that's right I think they flip Istanbul and Greece if they are AI and there's no Byzantines.

I know I'm late but I am surprises you haven't talk about the Egyptian respawn.

Tomorrow's Dawn said:

I'm pretty happy that my Kition strategy for Phoenicia seems to be pretty popular now.

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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11342265&postcount=341

strijder20 said:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11342265&postcount=341

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My bad, I hadn't seen that post.
But I swear I came up with the same idea independently from you.
Kind of like bronze weaponry across all the early civilizations. =p

Tomorrow's Dawn said:

My bad, I hadn't seen that post.
But I swear I came up with the same idea independently from you.
Kind of like bronze weaponry across all the early civilizations. =p

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Great minds think alike.

Just don't pull a Leibnitz-Newton on us and spend your days arguing about who came up with "Kitionulus", which makes you hated in the general European DoCing community. I'm probably taking this analogy too far.

NinjaCow64 said:

Great minds think alike.

Just don't pull a Leibnitz-Newton on us and spend your days arguing about who came up with "Kitionulus", which makes you hated in the general European DoCing community. I'm probably taking this analogy too far.

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Judging from the post-date, there's no question about it that
he came up with it first (a la Egypt or Mesopotamia)
I just came up with it later after the Phoenician rebalancing (a la Shang).

Tomorrow's Dawn said:

Judging from the post-date, there's no question about it that
he came up with it first (a la Egypt or Mesopotamia)
I just came up with it later after the Phoenician rebalancing (a la Shang).

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But I got the patent Expect a $2500 bill to arrive soon
I had no idea it'd actually be a good strategy when I did that, though - It was just a game in which I intended to settle all my cities on islands, so I stumbled on it accidentally.

strijder20 said:

But I got the patent Expect a $2500 bill to arrive soon
I had no idea it'd actually be a good strategy when I did that, though - It was just a game in which I intended to settle all my cities on islands, so I stumbled on it accidentally.

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I pretty much settled Kition with intent after the SVN version gave you the full yields for a tile if you settled on it.
Having to put up with spawns on your core territory as an ancient civ wrecks your stability enough already.
This was just a good method of easing prediction (enemy troop movements) and easing the number of fronts you have to face.



As you can see, I'm utilizing Roma as my trade/merchant city to fuel my economy.
2 Shrines + a bunch of Gold % buildings and trade related Wonders are really helping me float as the Phoenicians.



Absolutely not, said Hannibal.



What you're about to see is nothing short of amazing timing.



Baghdad culture flips to me with its free troops auto-promoted to Rifles.



The Turkish army is camped on my border and could easily overrun Constantinople,
which is garrisoned by a grand total of zero troops, for the purpose of not letting
my troops leak over to the Ottomans.



Brief note, I finish the Blue Mosque, a Wonder that I typically ignored before,
but now realize is the centerpiece of certain city setups.



The finest minds from Phoenicia's shipyards have constructed vessels capable of extended voyages on the open ocean.



Here's where it gets cray-cray.
I chanced upon the Ottoman capital and decided to strike with my two Riflemen
that I flipped from Baghdat. They both took severe damage and I was certain
they'd be demolished by the Ottoman stack on the next turn.



...But Mehmed had the idea to move all his troops north
and leave a single Longbow as his garrison.



A very, very, very satisfying victory.

That was....get that Turk's head Checked someone...

Clearly he found Asia Minor too hot and decided to migrate to Russia.

felix86 said:

Clearly he found Asia Minor too hot and decided to migrate to Russia.

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didnt move far enough... that's still south of the desert regions of Russia.

This isn't dead is it? No wait... it's probably a conspiracy on Dawn's part to flush out lurkers such as me... oh well.

The Ottomans respawn via flipping some units in their flip zone, but as they have no cities to flip, they become gypsies.
We make peace with them and they actually proceed to wander aimlessly across Asia for centuries to come, without a state.
Hannibal breathes a sigh of relief as Asia no longer requires his attention.
He does keep a tab however, on the presence of independent nomadic hordes rampaging through former Persian lands and the lands of his old enemy, Saladin.



An update on my economy.
You just keep me hangin' on~





This was a discovery that Jusos made quite some time before,
but if you have Rifling before you get your Mesoamerican conquerors,
you will get Riflemen instead of Musketmen when you touch down on their soil.
I'm hypothesizing that it would be possible to get Infantry if one had
Assembly Line, but it would of course be a much harder feat to pull off.

Hannibal's merchant marines scour the world for riches on the decks of
their new seafaring vessels, and discover significantly less advanced peoples
across the Atlantic, ripe with riches and wonders for the taking.



The intrepid Phoenician sailors also finally discover the peoples on the eastern edge of Asia,
having been previously barred access by the Arabs and the Ottomans.
China had fallen into a time of warlordism and disunity following the Mongol assaults on the Middle Kingdom.
Japan was the only stable state in the region, having been protected by the hardships and strife on the mainland by virtue of its position on the sea.

Yaaaay! Great update!