to me he looks like an American which goes all around on some company represantation , some salesman perhaps . ı don't exactly follow film stars but his avatar must be some dude recently in trouble for drug trade .
like an american you say? you're indeed funny
you always have this devil triangle that you always attribute to something that you consider to be "the enemy" or "the conspirator" of Turkish empire: America (imperialistic, conspirator), Kurdish (heathen, antagonistic, anti Turkish), and Arab and Saudi (Al Qaeda, Islamic conspirator, terrorist). So most of your argument can be deduce not far from this trinity, because you always put it in three different manifestation but have a single hive mind soul it is for (yani) to destroy the Turkish empire
Just look at his face and moustache, and go to Istanbul, you get thousands Turkish laik youth pop up exactly resemble to his "kurdish" avatar.
Regarding whether Kurds are supposed to be as decent as Turks you might first try to identify some of them who are ours and whether they are any different from us .
That exactly the problem is, you want to assimilate them to be unify into your standard of Turkish masses. I bet you also don't see more than half of Turkish population as a decent Turks. As they now more appeal to the diversity and multi layer cultural concept of nation, that oppose from Ataturk ideology that impose Turkish population to Americanize themselves, not in the terms of freedom of course but in the terms of western tradition like fashion, daily routine, fake secular impression, and all of the product of early 20 century. They are more focus to unify the public into one set of tradition, by eliminating any religious or traditional symbols, practice, value and custom that is indifferent with the grand culture that Ataturk set.
I mean that is the works of early 20th century modernist or orientalist. They try to eliminate what they afraid of "Islamic civilization" by force convert them and force assimilate them with the core western culture that they believe is the culminated culture. By totally win the hegemony upon other culture and assimilate it, they can gain the cultural victory.
While now the 21st century of western civilization already adapted their strategy. In opposition to modernist tendency to unfy all civilizations by westernising them (like Bernard Lewis or Hungtinton) postmodernism developed relativism as a strategy to manage diversity. That answer the Turkish Muslim have more freedom in western country regarding our religious expression few years back than in their own country, flock of students that want to practice their religion and custom, include also tradition like the Kurdish, go to Romania, Hungaria, German and England to escape the patronizing attitude and rabid Islamophobs of secular Turkish. On imposing what should they wear, or which language should they speech or shouldn't speech, and what should they belief, in the constitution. I just met with the government worker in Turkey few days ago, and he show me his beard, and he said "backthen before Erdogan, growing your beard is forbidden if you want to work in the government, now look I can grow my beard" I mean who gonna likes the Turkish who impose other Turkish? What kind of freedom is that, you don't even have right to grow your beard.
And now you telling me it is completely depend on what kind of Kurdish he is, we must examine him, and each aspects of him, both in appearance or in his belief if he fit or not to be call "a decent human being like common sunni Turks". R16, can you see how wrong your words are?
Even if ı am just an wannabe with nothing that pertains to reality , ours remain ours without reminders or pressure .
I hate to say that to you, I partly like you and your post, but what you're saying about Kurdish peoples quite hurting my feeling. I was thinking to delete that words, but however I cancel it, as I think also it is fit with not only for the many of Laik Turkish also to many western wannabe in many parts of Muslims country. They just took what is good and cool from the western (which is uncool for me) like going to party, drinking beer, wearing western clothes, acting like them, talking like them, their view regarding sexual taboo, just the most easy and lusty part of it, the most un-essential part. But they don't took the positive ethics of the western world like discipline, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, their creativity, also their idealistic attitude toward their principle. That is why many of the Arabs wannabe western, they try to look westernise and modern but they just end up as laughing stock for the whole worlds. Just look at Ali G, one of the most fit parody of western wannabe. I have more respect to the Jews, they modernise themselves but they also doesn't assimilate their tradition and belief (their character) to the western tradition and belief, they remain unique as the way they are. Apart from my disgust attitude toward Zionism, but that is not connected with Jews as a race, that is a political issue. Jews get modernise but they still being Jews, they don't drink alcohol, Jews from Israel that goes to study to Romania mostly marry early without ashame of their tradition, they keep their appearance (include facial hair) and traditional custom without trying to modernise their fashion (what the hell that mean). And they totally don't care about the mockery of others regarding their custom. That also apply to the Japanese. And I think both can be consider successfully modernise themselves. But the secularist Muslims, they destroy their character and uniqueness, and try hard to be a copy of western, and imposing other to do the same because it is the only way toward salvation. While in other hand they becoming laughing stock for the rest of the world.
They have no problems with the Turks but then this is something that must be avoided at all costs considering its harmful effects on the "story" . Discrimination is a dangerous word , can easily come back to haunt , when the new-indiscriminating-masses start to impose this and that .
I don't agree with that, they just let the Muslims to express themselves, and let the western wannabe to be themselves also. Backthen either you a western wannabe or you are out of society, now there are more option. And this is exactly a copy of 21st century western society order, nothing so Islamic about it. Even though Islam advocate multi layers, multi culture, and multi religious society, they don't stop at tolerating the religious or ethnic minority, but they goes to accommodating the religious and ethnic minority (or majority) by facilitate them to have their own court that is settle and drive by their own custom. The Muslims are less paranoid with the alien entity within their civilization. The western are more paranoid. And the western wannabe is goes to the level of anti alien entity: submit to us, or you are not one of us.
by the way , "nationalist attaturkcu" implies your keyboard must be an Arabic/English combination . Adding an USB keyboard to mine ı can write Nationalist Atatürkçü without a hitch .
do you think I'm a saudi salafist infiltrator because I oppose to be westernise?
I'm not arabs. And I think, I'm more alergic to Saudi regime more than you do R16.
oh yes , it's got to be exactly so , considering even in the 1980s the centrifugal effects of the American plans for the Middle East was "supposed" to be countered by increased Islamization , even if Kurds do have a daily exposure to "Dindar" Arabs who have been fighting them for years now . Every time some El Kaide looking type gets brought to some hospital on some Turkish border town , locals try to storm to beat him , lynch even .
"Al Qaeda" looking type get maul by ataturkcu masses is not a good things. It remind me of what happen backthen in 1965-1966 in Indonesia, whenever any person suspect to be a supporter of the commies they get killed and maul by the masses, including the Chinese, because China is communist country, and now what you express is exactly to what the masses in Indonesia do: Arab, have a long beard, their pants above the ankle=Al Qaeda type=maul them to death. Even EDL is more humanist than that.
This is exactly what happen in Istanbul during gezi park, a Hijabi woman walking with her baby, passing the demonstrator masses. They suspect her Hijab as a sign of "Erdogan supporter". They harass her, hit her in the public, and harass the baby until the baby suffer bruises. This is a typical quasi fascist masses, in Indonesia it was lead by patriotic quasi fascist group called Pemuda Pancasila, in Turkey it is the CHP ataturkcu, that have a rabid hatred on any Islamic symbols and custom as they related is as=anti-secularist, erdogan, islamist, Al Qaeda. This stereotype is more dangerous than the gun. How can you know that the maul person is an Alqaeda members? How can you endorse someone being maul just by the appearances without any proper investigation? R16, that is so wrong, I just hope you can see how wrong it is. Don't see others in the frame work of race or belief. Both Muslims or non Muslims, Arab or non Arabs, deserve justice and to be treat justly. This is what in Ottoman time called Adamiyyah, that is drawn from the Islamic fiqh of Hanafi Mahzab.
there is nothing that has ever stopped the Islamic wedding vows ; the paperwork just makes it possible that the divorced can claim something . Praying 5 times a day doesn't always make one to be fair .
I'm talking about the Turkish traditional custom been forbidded in early 20th century, and change with the "white dress" and "tuxedo" typical western wedding custom, and they force it as obligatory to be wear in wedding ceremony. I even so shame when I write this.
am a Starfleet Admiral , being rapidly anti-Western comes with the service light-saber .
hahaha, I hope you don't seize me for being US spy, Al Qaeda infiltrator and Kuridsh appreciator at the same time with your light saber Admiral R16
typical canard aiming at the re-introduction of the Arabic Alphabet , to ease the introduction of a script for the Kurdish variety , so that the country can be divided into a Federation so that Barzani can improve his hold on his future realm . So that after the disasterous Civil War our new Arab masters can go around with signs they can read . Let's agree on English , shall we ? It will save up to 13 million lives , right ?
and that as if the new Turkey would read and learn from the Ottoman experience . It's not the Alphabet , it's the heart one puts to studying . If if was so impossible how do your Dindar Turks read the Kuran ? Don't tell me they can't because the Pharoah , Kemal the false prophet banned the letters and the Ezan . Sometime they were even born ?
Man, the premise that you make is not match with the conclusion. Arabic language is use by the Ottoman and Arabs, as Kanji also use by China and Japan. Japan doesn't keep his kanji than change it into romanji to confirm Chinese cultural domination or what so ever. It is more to appreciating their own history and value their own literature and achievement. I suppose to learn Persian and how to read Arabic to able to access Ottoman manuscript (edit: I also need to learn Ottoman language after that). But I gave up. I even hardly master Turkish and Arabic. And to add Persian and Ottoman language is just too much for me. And there are thousands manuscript that yet to be translate in Sulayman library, this is a huge lost.
now it must have been added to my "record" that when at the high school people would use go to the head of the line without waiting . ı complained about it to some Vice Principal who was inspecting the area at the moment . He advised me to do likewise , ı was at the 10th Grade with a year to graduate and looking so effeminate and obviously couldn't dare without getting raped or something . Took it as a personal insult when ı left the line and bought my lunch elsewhere . Called my mother to dress me down for more properly .
Yeah, a german girl in my language course experience the same things. My American friends (who was an ex marine that become a rabid anti US government policy, an atheist btw not a convert) see that she is unable to buy lunch for her because the line is govern by the law of the jungle. We try to come in to help her, but she refuse. Poor her really. And I several time being by pass when I waiting for the bus in Istanbul. I mean if they want to be modernise and duplicate the western start from this positive side like: standing in the line. Being western is not only about wearing Jeans, hats and drinking beer you know. I don't have any interest to be a westerner, but if one so lustfully want to be one, they must learn it comprehensively.
and now that banning headscarves have been banned , the new Turkey is like numbah one ?
Freedom always good you know, I don't want someone impose me to shave my beard, or impose my wife how to wear. That is silly.
overall force levels imply it will a regular show with America bearing the brunt of the fighting with Allies providing political support . This of course implies a proper Phantom Affair that will have destroyed the Greek potential . But let's not fool the CFC , it's the El Kaide which will gloriously destroy the remnants of Turkish uselessness that somehow survived the glorious Kurds .
Al Qaeda, Kurds and Amerika
you can write a novel about it man with enough amount of greek salt to make it more tasty
