Planning cIV BTS MTDG III - Page 4

2metraninja · Mar 12, 2012, 12:21 AM

But why? If the teams consist of players of different sites, the local patriotism and chauvinism and the comradeship between the players in each team playing together for years can act like a glue to keep the teams united.

Sommerswerd · Mar 12, 2012, 06:13 AM

BTW I am planning to host a Diplogame, on a custom edited Earth Map. It will probably be at Apolyton, because you can have anonymous IDs over there, which you need for this kind of game. If you have never played a Diplogame I highly recommend, especially if you would be a turnplayer or Diplomat in an MTDG. Map is almost ready, and I'm working on the ruleset. I would like to make the Map available pre-game to put everyone on a level playing field.

As for this game, I still think starting with turnplayers and building the team as you go us the best way forward.

cav scout · Mar 12, 2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 2metraninja

But why? If the teams consist of players of different sites, the local patriotism and chauvinism and the comradeship between the players in each team playing together for years can act like a glue to keep the teams united.

CDZ players quickly lost interest and the team only hung in there because they had a very dedicated turn player.

damnrunner · Mar 12, 2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sommerswerd

BTW I am planning to host a Diplogame, on a custom edited Earth Map. It will probably be at Apolyton, because you can have anonymous IDs over there, which you need for this kind of game. If you have never played a Diplogame I highly recommend, especially if you would be a turnplayer or Diplomat in an MTDG. Map is almost ready, and I'm working on the ruleset. I would like to make the Map available pre-game to put everyone on a level playing field.

As for this game, I still think starting with turnplayers and building the team as you go us the best way forward.

Certainly interested now that I actually have BTS

Sommerswerd · Mar 12, 2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by damnrunner

Certainly interested now that I actually have BTS

In which? The Diplogame I'm planning to run over at Apolyton, or the BTS MTDG III, or both?

cav scout · Mar 13, 2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sommerswerd

As for this game, I still think starting with turnplayers and building the team as you go us the best way forward.

Agreed.

We first need to find someone willing to host though. Without a host (and also admins/mapmakers) we are dead in the water.

Sommerswerd · Mar 15, 2012, 03:57 PM

Here is the Setup page for the new game I mentioned before at Apolyton:

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New Pitboss game in the Works! 18 Players, Earth Map, Diplo style.. Ready to start player sign-ups

Click the link to get to the page.

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/1...e-Setup-Thread

Krill · Mar 15, 2012, 05:29 PM

Are you guys setting up a new demogame or not?

2metraninja · Mar 15, 2012, 11:55 PM

We are for sure. Are you guys in RB ready to form a team?

Krill · Mar 17, 2012, 08:08 PM

Probably.

nabaxo · Mar 21, 2012, 06:00 AM

Any interest alive in this, at all?

Sommerswerd · Mar 21, 2012, 10:11 AM

I would like to repeat my suggestion that we go with two teams for this one. Here is my case

1. We have enough interested players to form two teams right now. We can start the game and recruit more players as we go. We just don't have enough interested players to form 6 or even 4 teams, let alone find 6 turnplayers

2. With two teams we can play sequential turns, so there won't be anymore doublemove controversies.

3. With two teams there will never be a mismatch where one team gets ganged up on by the others.

4. With tech trading off there is no possibility of tech alliances, so there is less of a need for inter-team diplo anyway.

5. With 2 teams we minimize the risk of running out of turnplayers, and maximize the amount of interested involved players on each team having discussion.

6. We all know that it is inevitable that the game will end up with two unbreakable alliances anyway, with 2 groups of two or more teams acting effectively as one team, so we might as well just start off with everyone on one side or the other.

Points:

With two teams, we could have one team that is a Merlot style Monarchy/Republic, and one team that is a Democratic/Anarchic style team. People can choose which to join.

There is still the possibility of some inter-team diplomacy, especially if we add some AI civs as buffers, trading partners or tackling dummies or whatever. The humans can cooperate to kill off the AI, then turn on each other or do something else.

Sommerswerd · Mar 21, 2012, 10:21 AM

To get us started off, I suggest we just say which team we want to be on, and whether we are willing to be the first turnplayer. I'll go first.

Team- Democratic
Turnplayer - No

Loev · Mar 22, 2012, 09:22 AM

I would like to join Sommers, no turn player, just a super lurker

Sommerswerd · Mar 22, 2012, 10:17 AM

Democratic / Consensus / Anarchy Team -
Turnplayer -???
Members -
Loev
Sommerswerd

Republican / Imperial / Monarchy Team-
Turnplayer -???
Members -???

damnrunner · Mar 22, 2012, 07:15 PM

I'd prefer holding off for more than just two teams. Duel games can be a slog and are not that rich of a game-play experience.

cav scout · Mar 23, 2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by damnrunner

I'd prefer holding off for more than just two teams. Duel games can be a slog and are not that rich of a game-play experience.

I agree. I think we can get enough active players for 6 healthy teams, we just need to recruit. If we build this thing and advertise it they will come.

We still need someone to host though!

Caledorn · Apr 04, 2012, 05:16 PM

I can arrange the hosting part if you guys go ahead and arrange the recruitment part.

May need a bit of help since I've never run a PitBoss game - the techiestuff with setting up the router/port forwarding etc is no problem though.

Also I need one of two if I am to host. 1. Someone who can make a map - or 2. Someone who can help me make a map. If number 2, then I need more than 1 person to advice me, as I have figured that the map is a major part of debate/discussion in a game that seems to be the number one area of criticism of these games.

2metraninja · Apr 05, 2012, 12:39 AM

Hey Caledorn! WB to the wonderful pitboss world, mate. Great that you can handle the hosting part - thats major progress on this project.

Lately I've been playing in many games where the maps are made by an Apolytoneer - OzzyKP. Generally, we had never game which failed with a map made by him and he is quite experienced at making them balanced.

Bowsling · May 01, 2012, 03:55 PM

Is this happening? I would be interested in joining one.

Although I would prefer a four-team game. Two teams just doesn't give enough options for diplomacy, whereas with four teams it's much more interesting. Six was obviously way too many, but I think we can reasonably have four teams. Hell, there's even a four-team version of this going on for CivIII.

Mar 12, 2012, 12:21 AM	#61
2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Plovdiv, BG Posts: 4,289	But why? If the teams consist of players of different sites, the local patriotism and chauvinism and the comradeship between the players in each team playing together for years can act like a glue to keep the teams united. __________________ It takes a ninja to kill another ninja.

Mar 12, 2012, 06:13 AM	#62
Sommerswerd Sword of the Sun Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In front of the Computer Posts: 4,711	BTW I am planning to host a Diplogame, on a custom edited Earth Map. It will probably be at Apolyton, because you can have anonymous IDs over there, which you need for this kind of game. If you have never played a Diplogame I highly recommend, especially if you would be a turnplayer or Diplomat in an MTDG. Map is almost ready, and I'm working on the ruleset. I would like to make the Map available pre-game to put everyone on a level playing field. As for this game, I still think starting with turnplayers and building the team as you go us the best way forward. __________________ Team AMAZON MTDG II - Winners Team Kazakhstan MTDG I- Winners Team SABER - MTDG II Superlurker - Winners "I WIN!... I always win... Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me?!?" - General Zod

Mar 15, 2012, 05:29 PM	#68
Krill Deity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stoke-on-Trent, England Posts: 2,974	Are you guys setting up a new demogame or not? __________________ You just wasted 6 seconds of your life reading this sentence.

Mar 15, 2012, 11:55 PM	#69
2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Plovdiv, BG Posts: 4,289	We are for sure. Are you guys in RB ready to form a team? __________________ It takes a ninja to kill another ninja.

Mar 17, 2012, 08:08 PM	#70
Krill Deity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stoke-on-Trent, England Posts: 2,974	Probably. __________________ You just wasted 6 seconds of your life reading this sentence.

Mar 21, 2012, 06:00 AM	#71
nabaxo King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 657	Any interest alive in this, at all?

Mar 21, 2012, 10:11 AM	#72
Sommerswerd Sword of the Sun Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In front of the Computer Posts: 4,711	I would like to repeat my suggestion that we go with two teams for this one. Here is my case 1. We have enough interested players to form two teams right now. We can start the game and recruit more players as we go. We just don't have enough interested players to form 6 or even 4 teams, let alone find 6 turnplayers 2. With two teams we can play sequential turns, so there won't be anymore doublemove controversies. 3. With two teams there will never be a mismatch where one team gets ganged up on by the others. 4. With tech trading off there is no possibility of tech alliances, so there is less of a need for inter-team diplo anyway. 5. With 2 teams we minimize the risk of running out of turnplayers, and maximize the amount of interested involved players on each team having discussion. 6. We all know that it is inevitable that the game will end up with two unbreakable alliances anyway, with 2 groups of two or more teams acting effectively as one team, so we might as well just start off with everyone on one side or the other. Points: With two teams, we could have one team that is a Merlot style Monarchy/Republic, and one team that is a Democratic/Anarchic style team. People can choose which to join. There is still the possibility of some inter-team diplomacy, especially if we add some AI civs as buffers, trading partners or tackling dummies or whatever. The humans can cooperate to kill off the AI, then turn on each other or do something else. __________________ Team AMAZON MTDG II - Winners Team Kazakhstan MTDG I- Winners Team SABER - MTDG II Superlurker - Winners "I WIN!... I always win... Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me?!?" - General Zod

Mar 21, 2012, 10:21 AM	#73
Sommerswerd Sword of the Sun Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In front of the Computer Posts: 4,711	To get us started off, I suggest we just say which team we want to be on, and whether we are willing to be the first turnplayer. I'll go first. Team- Democratic Turnplayer - No __________________ Team AMAZON MTDG II - Winners Team Kazakhstan MTDG I- Winners Team SABER - MTDG II Superlurker - Winners "I WIN!... I always win... Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me?!?" - General Zod

Mar 22, 2012, 09:22 AM	#74
Loev Warlord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Netherlands Posts: 133	I would like to join Sommers, no turn player, just a super lurker __________________ MTDG II team AMAZON - Megalurker and turnplayah Winners

Mar 22, 2012, 10:17 AM	#75
Sommerswerd Sword of the Sun Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In front of the Computer Posts: 4,711	Democratic / Consensus / Anarchy Team - Turnplayer -??? Members - Loev Sommerswerd Republican / Imperial / Monarchy Team- Turnplayer -??? Members -??? __________________ Team AMAZON MTDG II - Winners Team Kazakhstan MTDG I- Winners Team SABER - MTDG II Superlurker - Winners "I WIN!... I always win... Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me?!?" - General Zod

Mar 22, 2012, 07:15 PM	#76
damnrunner Emperor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,955	I'd prefer holding off for more than just two teams. Duel games can be a slog and are not that rich of a game-play experience.

Apr 04, 2012, 05:16 PM	#78
Caledorn Protegé of Sommerswerd Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arendal, Norway Posts: 1,559	I can arrange the hosting part if you guys go ahead and arrange the recruitment part. May need a bit of help since I've never run a PitBoss game - the techiestuff with setting up the router/port forwarding etc is no problem though. Also I need one of two if I am to host. 1. Someone who can make a map - or 2. Someone who can help me make a map. If number 2, then I need more than 1 person to advice me, as I have figured that the map is a major part of debate/discussion in a game that seems to be the number one area of criticism of these games. __________________ As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights" Proud member of Team CFC in the ISDG 2012 Last edited by Caledorn; Apr 04, 2012 at 05:19 PM.

Apr 05, 2012, 12:39 AM	#79
2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Plovdiv, BG Posts: 4,289	Hey Caledorn! WB to the wonderful pitboss world, mate. Great that you can handle the hosting part - thats major progress on this project. Lately I've been playing in many games where the maps are made by an Apolytoneer - OzzyKP. Generally, we had never game which failed with a map made by him and he is quite experienced at making them balanced. __________________ It takes a ninja to kill another ninja.

May 01, 2012, 03:55 PM	#80
Bowsling Deity Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,129 Images: 6	Is this happening? I would be interested in joining one. Although I would prefer a four-team game. Two teams just doesn't give enough options for diplomacy, whereas with four teams it's much more interesting. Six was obviously way too many, but I think we can reasonably have four teams. Hell, there's even a four-team version of this going on for CivIII. __________________ MTDG III - Join Team CFC!

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