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Traveler of the Multiverse
I love spying too, so it's always on for me too.
Game Options Discussion
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I can't think of the game without Spy Upgrades.
For once I thought it was broken because of the cumulative nature of the Deception promotion.
I also supported the idea I saw Embryodead using in SoI that although the promotions added up, they could never reach 100% evasion.
But then when the AI learned from my spies and caught my Deception III I realized I was wrong. Using the counter-espionage mission, your own defending spies (with the counter-espionage promotion as well) and buildings that help thwart enemy spies makes it possible to catch any spies, including the Deception III ones.
BTW, is there a better scout then a Counter-Spy III? +3 visibility on a unit that can't be attacked and only may die if it's on foreign territory (including vassal territory, but not including neutral territory and the territory of players in a permanent alliance with you). I love it
For once I thought it was broken because of the cumulative nature of the Deception promotion.
I also supported the idea I saw Embryodead using in SoI that although the promotions added up, they could never reach 100% evasion.
But then when the AI learned from my spies and caught my Deception III I realized I was wrong. Using the counter-espionage mission, your own defending spies (with the counter-espionage promotion as well) and buildings that help thwart enemy spies makes it possible to catch any spies, including the Deception III ones.
BTW, is there a better scout then a Counter-Spy III? +3 visibility on a unit that can't be attacked and only may die if it's on foreign territory (including vassal territory, but not including neutral territory and the territory of players in a permanent alliance with you). I love it
45°38'N-13°47'E
Deity
So isn't there anyone who would still keep it as an option because they don't use it?
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
I'll raise my hand. I don't use it. But my single vote is meaningless anyway. Carry on.
JosEPh
JosEPh
45°38'N-13°47'E
Deity
Is there a reason why you don't use it?I'll raise my hand. I don't use it. But my single vote is meaningless anyway. Carry on.
JosEPh
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Bribe and assassinate.
JosEPh
JosEPh
os79
Deity
Can you expand? Because it sounds like ethical reason more than gameplay reason. I don't want any misunderstanding. So please expand so your vote can be considered better.
Rezca
The Greatest Jaggi
I've never used Assassinate, but I've used Bribe City a few times. It's been useless more often than not and a general waste of Espionage Points.
Advanced Espionage has good points to it as well, and since the AI apparently has zero clue as to these options even existing, I don't see the harm in it. Except of course, the 'temptation' to use them being there
os79
Deity
I've never used Assassinate, but I've used Bribe City a few times. It's been useless more often than not and a general waste of Espionage Points.
Advanced Espionage has good points to it as well, and since the AI apparently has zero clue as to these options even existing, I don't see the harm in it. Except of course, the 'temptation' to use them being there
Are you sure AI don't see and use these added missions?
Rezca
The Greatest Jaggi
I have never, ever, ever, ever seen the AI use one. I saw an AI with over 100,000 esp points, and it used it to steal the Invisibility tech from me. That's the 'worst' I've seen the AI do. Steal techs > Poison / War Rallies > then finally the 'annoying' Pillage Improvement.
I've seen them sabotage buildings and production as well, but that's it. Now granted, I mostly play on Noble and have been moving up to Prince, but I don't know if difficulty level affects what missions they'll carry out.
If they do know of and can use Assassinate or Bribe City, I've yet to see them do so since the earliest AND 2.0 days.
Afforess
The White Wizard
The AI sucks at espionage, period. It's long been an area I wanted to revisit, but I always have higher priorities.
The AI is fond of using the Support Rebel Faction. It happened in 2 distinct games of mine, and the AI uses it a lot!
I've read a tip once that the AI will be better at espionage if you use it a lot. The more you use it, the more the AI will use it against you. This tip may be on the tip menu of civilopedia.
BTW, on my rev 739 game, I have spies in several fortresses on my border with the enemy, and some spies inside special cities that they like to target, and I'm constantly catching their spies. It's on Deity, and it's fierce on espionage TBH, fiercer then LoR used to be.
I've read a tip once that the AI will be better at espionage if you use it a lot. The more you use it, the more the AI will use it against you. This tip may be on the tip menu of civilopedia.
BTW, on my rev 739 game, I have spies in several fortresses on my border with the enemy, and some spies inside special cities that they like to target, and I'm constantly catching their spies. It's on Deity, and it's fierce on espionage TBH, fiercer then LoR used to be.
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Traveler of the Multiverse
Assassinate can be turned off in BUG menu - it is always off for me.
Bribe is very expensive and 99% of cases it means war, so it is not an exploit - even if the AI is not using it.
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
I thought you get auto-declared when you bribe a city? I once bribed a Dutch city and I got declared by the AI.
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Traveler of the Multiverse
No, you get get a big diplo penalty, that usually leads to war. But sometimes, when the relation is good enough and/or you are much more powerful than the opponent, the AI may choose cowardly to not declare war. On the second bribe it surely will
I usually bribe a city as a mean to declare war. And sometimes surprised to see no war declaration
os79
Deity
For me Assassination mission can improved in this way. Make it very expensive. Make success at 33% chance. Then that mission is to assassinate the leader of the civ. Success means Anarchy for specific turns, scaled to speed.
That's my crazy idea.
That's my crazy idea
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