L. Vern
Warlord
I have been requested to publish some stats for this congress session, so with this upcoming weekend being the last one before proposal phase ends hopefully there will be enough time to make use of them.
Settings used:
Map: Communitu_79a with all default settings
Difficulty: Emperor
Size: Standard
Game Settings: All default except no events, no ancient ruins, and no tech trading (note: same as every other run, just making it explicit in the description as many people were asking about it last time)
A more detailed breakdown into attainment times:
Per-Belief Breakdown:
Note that for the following section an aggregation interval of 100 turns was arbitrarily chosen, ideally there will also be versions grouped by era in the future but that kind of joining will require a lot of work so probably not soon lol
This section summarizes the lvl 6 instant yields (A/B/C Bonuses) the AI receives on average, and from what event types
Sadly all yields were not able to be determined from current logs (will have to implement this first), but here is a comparison of all instant yields the AI receives on average (does not include handicap bonuses) vs handicap yields. There is no breakdown by instant yield type as there's 42 unique sources and I haven't figured out a way to visualize them in a digestible way.
Huge thanks to @Stalker0 , @azum4roll , @rkkn , @ma_kuh for feedback and suggestions on discord
Questions/Observations for discussion:
Settings used:
Map: Communitu_79a with all default settings
Difficulty: Emperor
Size: Standard
Game Settings: All default except no events, no ancient ruins, and no tech trading (note: same as every other run, just making it explicit in the description as many people were asking about it last time)
Spoiler Victory Types :
Spoiler Civilization Performance :
Rank | Civ | Games | Victories | Winrate | Culture Victories | Diplomatic Victories | Science Victories | Time Victories | Domination Victories | Avg Pantheon Turn | Avg Religion Founded Turn | Religion Founded Prop | Avg Religion Enhanced Turn | Religion Enhanced Prop | Avg Religion Reformation Turn | Religion Reformation Prop |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | The Maya | 30 | 8 | 0.27 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 47.17 | 103.79 | 0.80 | 112.33 | 0.80 | 168.62 | 0.53 |
2 | Austria | 34 | 9 | 0.26 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 39.62 | 103.13 | 0.68 | 172.15 | 0.59 | 165.71 | 0.41 |
3 | Korea | 41 | 10 | 0.24 | 5 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 45.98 | 109.78 | 0.66 | 190.75 | 0.59 | 168.53 | 0.37 |
4 | Arabia | 47 | 11 | 0.23 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 40.11 | 98.30 | 0.94 | 170.66 | 0.87 | 160.49 | 0.79 |
5 | Brazil | 40 | 8 | 0.20 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 48.60 | 102.42 | 0.48 | 174.75 | 0.40 | 165.38 | 0.32 |
6 | Germany | 50 | 10 | 0.20 | 1 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 42.86 | 112.81 | 0.54 | 179.52 | 0.46 | 167.62 | 0.32 |
7 | Japan | 51 | 10 | 0.20 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 48.20 | 106.34 | 0.63 | 166.35 | 0.61 | 178.25 | 0.47 |
8 | Babylon | 43 | 8 | 0.19 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 45.72 | 107.18 | 0.77 | 169.86 | 0.67 | 168.55 | 0.47 |
9 | Russia | 40 | 7 | 0.18 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 58.42 | 111.53 | 0.38 | 170.00 | 0.35 | 188.14 | 0.35 |
10 | Greece | 55 | 9 | 0.16 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 40.95 | 103.81 | 0.65 | 164.18 | 0.62 | 180.46 | 0.44 |
11 | Byzantium | 44 | 7 | 0.16 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 43.18 | 99.70 | 1.00 | 151.50 | 0.91 | 174.66 | 0.80 |
12 | Portugal | 26 | 4 | 0.15 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 43.65 | 104.09 | 0.42 | 196.08 | 0.46 | 201.33 | 0.35 |
13 | The Netherlands | 39 | 6 | 0.15 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 38.92 | 105.97 | 0.74 | 168.48 | 0.64 | 170.11 | 0.49 |
14 | Siam | 39 | 6 | 0.15 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 35.79 | 94.10 | 0.79 | 173.93 | 0.74 | 156.39 | 0.46 |
15 | The Celts | 27 | 4 | 0.15 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 40.56 | 96.44 | 1.00 | 156.26 | 1.00 | 198.75 | 0.15 |
16 | Carthage | 34 | 5 | 0.15 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 47.29 | 102.74 | 0.79 | 174.88 | 0.74 | 169.80 | 0.59 |
17 | India | 48 | 7 | 0.15 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0.27 | 79.55 | 0.98 | 117.64 | 0.94 | 183.29 | 0.65 |
18 | Assyria | 42 | 6 | 0.14 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 53.17 | 106.78 | 0.43 | 155.75 | 0.38 | 178.13 | 0.36 |
19 | China | 43 | 6 | 0.14 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 45.23 | 102.53 | 0.70 | 165.10 | 0.67 | 167.86 | 0.65 |
20 | Songhai | 46 | 6 | 0.13 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 59.09 | 111.52 | 0.46 | 174.70 | 0.59 | 198.86 | 0.46 |
21 | Venice | 46 | 6 | 0.13 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 35.87 | 100.21 | 0.91 | 165.46 | 0.80 | 152.62 | 0.74 |
22 | The Iroquois | 31 | 4 | 0.13 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 59.81 | 109.25 | 0.52 | 171.83 | 0.58 | 181.18 | 0.55 |
23 | Egypt | 26 | 3 | 0.12 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 41.50 | 109.12 | 0.65 | 162.29 | 0.65 | 172.00 | 0.50 |
24 | The Inca | 35 | 4 | 0.11 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 60.20 | 111.19 | 0.46 | 169.00 | 0.43 | 166.09 | 0.31 |
25 | Persia | 45 | 5 | 0.11 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 48.38 | 111.53 | 0.42 | 180.58 | 0.42 | 200.00 | 0.29 |
26 | Morocco | 38 | 4 | 0.11 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 41.03 | 103.27 | 0.68 | 178.59 | 0.58 | 162.36 | 0.37 |
27 | France | 44 | 4 | 0.09 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 55.77 | 111.56 | 0.41 | 183.44 | 0.41 | 241.53 | 0.34 |
28 | Poland | 34 | 3 | 0.09 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 42.44 | 108.62 | 0.62 | 199.44 | 0.53 | 171.12 | 0.24 |
29 | Rome | 23 | 2 | 0.09 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 54.13 | 109.33 | 0.52 | 161.08 | 0.52 | 179.08 | 0.52 |
30 | England | 41 | 3 | 0.07 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 54.05 | 109.57 | 0.34 | 178.43 | 0.34 | 185.60 | 0.24 |
31 | The Ottomans | 41 | 3 | 0.07 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 47.05 | 107.04 | 0.61 | 173.91 | 0.54 | 177.25 | 0.39 |
32 | Sweden | 42 | 3 | 0.07 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 59.64 | 115.29 | 0.33 | 175.94 | 0.38 | 186.85 | 0.31 |
33 | The Aztecs | 30 | 2 | 0.07 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 45.57 | 102.96 | 0.80 | 155.91 | 0.77 | 183.24 | 0.57 |
34 | Polynesia | 32 | 2 | 0.06 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 60.88 | 108.71 | 0.44 | 172.43 | 0.44 | 190.38 | 0.41 |
35 | The Zulus | 37 | 2 | 0.05 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 50.30 | 111.80 | 0.41 | 172.75 | 0.43 | 206.67 | 0.32 |
36 | Denmark | 38 | 2 | 0.05 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 55.97 | 115.43 | 0.37 | 190.12 | 0.42 | 180.18 | 0.29 |
37 | Ethiopia | 38 | 2 | 0.05 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 30.97 | 89.18 | 1.00 | 152.43 | 0.92 | 157.23 | 0.68 |
38 | Spain | 42 | 2 | 0.05 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 31.31 | 99.26 | 0.90 | 179.75 | 0.86 | 182.00 | 0.57 |
39 | Indonesia | 31 | 1 | 0.03 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 52.45 | 107.55 | 0.71 | 155.50 | 0.71 | 168.44 | 0.52 |
40 | The Huns | 34 | 1 | 0.03 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 60.15 | 116.42 | 0.35 | 179.08 | 0.35 | 205.00 | 0.21 |
41 | Mongolia | 34 | 1 | 0.03 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 48.32 | 109.55 | 0.59 | 174.20 | 0.59 | 175.36 | 0.32 |
42 | America | 39 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 51.05 | 108.11 | 0.46 | 178.78 | 0.46 | 165.13 | 0.38 |
43 | The Shoshone | 28 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 53.57 | 111.71 | 0.50 | 173.33 | 0.54 | 181.09 | 0.39 |
Spoiler Religion :
Event | Median Turn | Winrate When Achieved | Avg Win Turn When Achieved |
---|---|---|---|
Pantheon Founded | 43 | - | - |
Religion Founded | 105 | 0.16 | 407.52 |
Religion Enhanced | 162 | 0.17 | 407.58 |
Religion Reformation | 165 | 0.22 | 407.99 |
A more detailed breakdown into attainment times:
Per-Belief Breakdown:
Note that for the following section an aggregation interval of 100 turns was arbitrarily chosen, ideally there will also be versions grouped by era in the future but that kind of joining will require a lot of work so probably not soon lol
Spoiler Handicap Bonuses :
This section summarizes the lvl 6 instant yields (A/B/C Bonuses) the AI receives on average, and from what event types
Spoiler Handicap Bonuses vs Instant Yields :
Sadly all yields were not able to be determined from current logs (will have to implement this first), but here is a comparison of all instant yields the AI receives on average (does not include handicap bonuses) vs handicap yields. There is no breakdown by instant yield type as there's 42 unique sources and I haven't figured out a way to visualize them in a digestible way.
Spoiler Technology Times :
Spoiler Policies :
Huge thanks to @Stalker0 , @azum4roll , @rkkn , @ma_kuh for feedback and suggestions on discord
Questions/Observations for discussion:
- Thoughts on science being the new most common win condition? Did science get more tools or was cultural and diplomatic power just get sufficiently toned down?
- While the number of games is fairly low still looks like some significant swings in civ performance may have happened. Big winners: Russia, Maya. Big losers: Rome, Ottomans.
- How do we like the power level of the civs in human games subjectively? Is it noticable and detrimental that some civs always do quite well and some are vassals-to-be, noticable but you like the consistency and predictability? I think most of us agree that in a game there should be one or two "pop off" civs to create a challenge for the player but subjectively is it commonly the same civs that do so?
- Looks like a lot of the handicap yield power is in the killing units bonuses - these events happen a LOT, might have been an unintended side effect of the ongoing tactical AI improvements? Any other thoughts on this particular outlier?
- Is it bugged that AI almost never goes for god of the open sky/goddess of beauty/transcendent thoughts/revelation/ceremonial burial/holy laws/hero worship/council of elders?
- How much does AI difficulty bonus influence instant yields? Are they higher or does the AI instant yield line represent roughly how much a human would be getting in the same situation?
Attachments
Last edited: