$300 million from Chavez to Farc a fake

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Do you believe this?

This past weekend, Colombia invaded Ecuador, killed a guerrilla chief in the jungle, opened his laptop – and what did the Colombians find? A message to Hugo Chavez that he sent the FARC guerrillas $300 million – which they’re using to obtain uranium to make a dirty bomb!

That’s what George Bush tells us. And he got that from his buddy, the strange right-wing President of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe.

So: After the fact, Colombia justifies its attempt to provoke a border war as a way to stop the threat of WMDs! Uh, where have we heard that before?

The US press snorted up this line about Chavez’ $300 million to “terrorists” quicker than the young Bush inhaling Colombia’s powdered export.

What the US press did not do is look at the evidence, the email in the magic laptop. (Presumably, the FARC leader’s last words were, “Listen, my password is ….”)

I read them. (You can read them here) While you can read it all in español, here is, in translation, the one and only mention of the alleged $300 million from Chavez:

“… With relation to the 300, which from now on we will call "dossier," efforts are now going forward at the instructions of the boss to the cojo [slang term for ‘cripple’], which I will explain in a separate note. Let's call the boss Ángel, and the cripple Ernesto.”

Got that? Where is Hugo? Where’s 300 million? And 300 what? Indeed, in context, the note is all about the hostage exchange with the FARC that Chavez was working on at the time (December 23, 2007) at the request of the Colombian government.

Indeed, the entire remainder of the email is all about the mechanism of the hostage exchange. Here’s the next line:
“To receive the three freed ones, Chavez proposes three options: Plan A. Do it to via of a ‘humanitarian caravan’; one that will involve Venezuela, France, the Vatican[?], Switzerland, European Union, democrats [civil society], Argentina, Red Cross, etc.”

As to the 300, I must note that the FARC’s previous prisoner exchange involved 300 prisoners. Is that what the ‘300’ refers to? ¿Quien sabe? Unlike Uribe, Bush and the US press, I won’t guess or make up a phastasmogoric story about Chavez mailing checks to the jungle.

To bolster their case, the Colombians claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that the mysterious “Angel” is the code name for Chavez. But in the memo, Chavez goes by the code name … Chavez.

Well, so what? This is what . . . .
Colombia’s invasion into Ecuador is a rank violation of international law, condemned by every single Latin member of the Organization of American States. But George Bush just loved it. He called Uribe to back Colombia, against, “the continuing assault by narco-terrorists as well as the provocative maneuvers by the regime in Venezuela."

Well, our President may have gotten the facts ass-backward, but Bush knows what he’s doing: shoring up his last, faltering ally in South America, Uribe, a desperate man in deep political trouble.

Uribe claims he is going to bring charges against Chavez before the International Criminal Court. If Uribe goes there in person, I suggest he take a toothbrush: it was just discovered that right-wing death squads held murder-planning sessions at Uribe’s ranch. Uribe’s associates have been called before the nation’s Supreme Court and may face prison.

In other words, it’s a good time for a desperate Uribe to use that old politico’s wheeze, the threat of war, to drown out accusations of his own criminality. Furthermore, Uribe’s attack literally killed negotiations with FARC by killing FARC’s negotiator, Raul Reyes. Reyes was in talks with both Ecuador and Chavez about another prisoner exchange. Uribe authorized the negotiations. However, Uribe knew, should those talks have succeeded in obtaining the release of those kidnapped by the FARC, credit would have been heaped on Ecuador and Chavez, and discredit heaped on Uribe.

Luckily for a hemisphere on the verge of flames, the President of Ecuador, Raphael Correa, is one of the most level-headed, thoughtful men I’ve ever encountered.

Correa is now flying from Quito to Brazilia to Caracas to keep the region from blowing sky high. While moving troops to his border – no chief of state can permit foreign tanks on their sovereign soil – Correa also refuses sanctuary to the FARC . Indeed, Ecuador has routed out 47 FARC bases, a better track record than Colombia’s own, corrupt military.

For his cool, peaceable handling of the crisis, I will forgive Correa for apologizing for his calling Bush, “a dimwitted President who has done great damage to his country and the world.” (Watch an excerpt of my interview with Correa here.)

Amateur Hour in Blue

We can trust Correa to keep the peace South of the Border. But can we trust our Presidents-to-be?

The current man in the Oval Office, George Bush, simply can’t help himself: an outlaw invasion by a right-wing death-squad promoter is just fine with him.

But guess who couldn’t wait to parrot the Bush line? Hillary Clinton, still explaining that her vote to invade Iraq was not a vote to invade Iraq, issued a statement nearly identical to Bush’s, blessing the invasion of Ecuador as Colombia’s “right to defend itself.” And she added, "Hugo Chávez must stop these provoking actions.” Huh?

I assumed that Obama wouldn’t jump on this landmine – especially after he was blasted as a foreign policy amateur for suggesting he would invade across Pakistan’s border to hunt terrorists.

It's embarrassing that Barack repeated Hillary’s line nearly verbatim, announcing, “the Colombian government has every right to defend itself.”

(I’m sure Hillary’s position wasn’t influenced by the loan of a campaign jet to her by Frank Giustra. Giustra has given over a hundred million dollars to Bill Clinton projects. Last year, Bill introduced Giustra to Colombia’s Uribe. On the spot, Giustra cut a lucrative deal with Uribe for Colombian oil.)

Then there’s Mr. War Hero. John McCain weighed in with his own idiocies, announcing that, “Hugo Chavez is establish[ing] a dictatorship,” presumably because, unlike George Bush, Chavez counts all the votes in Venezuelan elections.

But now our story gets tricky and icky.

The wise media critic Jeff Cohen told me to watch for the press naming McCain as a foreign policy expert and labeling the Democrats as amateurs. Sure enough, the New York Times, on the news pages Wednesday, called McCain, “a national security pro.”

McCain is the “pro” who said the war in Iraq would cost nearly nothing in lives or treasury dollars.

But, on the Colombian invasion of Ecuador, McCain said, “I hope that tensions will be relaxed, President Chavez will remove those troops from the borders - as well as the Ecuadorians - and relations continue to improve between the two.”

It’s not quite English, but it’s definitely not Bush. And weirdly, it’s definitely not Obama and Clinton cheerleading Colombia’s war on Ecuador.

Democrats, are you listening? The only thing worse than the media attacking Obama and Clinton as amateurs is the Democratic candidates’ frightening desire to prove them right.
http://www.gregpalast.com/farc-documents/
http://www.gregpalast.com/300-million-from-chavez-to-farc-a-fake/

I thought this would be an interesting debate-provoker.
 
Do you have a better source on this? This guy's to the left of Che.
 
Trustworthy link from someone who is not a Chávez-lover?

All I know is that Chávez backed down from his belligerant position after Uribe exposed the laptop.

BTW, what sort of reporter writes "Brazilia"? What a lame amateur.
 
Do you have a better source on this? This guy's to the left of Che.
I checked the wire sources and couldn't find anything.

I too would be more comfortable with a journalistic source that didn't claim that the 2000 and 2004 elections were rigged.
 
Funny, I don't recall any of you who now want proofs asking for those, from the Colombian government, that its claims about $300 million were true...

Usually it's the accusation that has to produce the evidence. Except if you like lynching better that justice.
 
Funny, I don't recall any of you who now want proofs asking for those, from the Colombian government, that its claims about $300 million were true...

Usually it's the accusation that has to produce the evidence. Except if you like lynching better that justice.

Well are there links of Columbia denying it?
 
Funny, I don't recall any of you who now want proofs asking for those, from the Colombian government, that its claims about $300 million were true...

Usually it's the accusation that has to produce the evidence. Except if you like lynching better that justice.
We didn't have to ask... all of the major news sources were already reporting it.
 
Do you have a better source on this? This guy's to the left of Che.
Trustworthy link from someone who is not a Chávez-lover?

Well he does provide the content of those documents, which could perhaps be verified -- although I haven't found anything on that. and I'm sure if he'd be lying this unabashedly, there'd be some right-wing website screaming and foaming about him. Also, he makes interesting points like: "As to the 300, I must note that the FARC’s previous prisoner exchange involved 300 prisoners."

Also, there's nothing wrong with being apologetic. It is an entirely legimate position and doesn't prove that one is wrong --- elementary stuff that I also should remember.

BTW, what sort of reporter writes "Brazilia"? What a lame amateur.

A total non sequitur.

And Brasilia or Brazilia is the way she's spelled in many languages.

All I know is that Chávez backed down from his belligerant position after Uribe exposed the laptop.

No, the aggression came from Colombia. I know it's difficult to remember such elementary truths.
 
No, the aggression came from Colombia.
Not really... after Colombia attacked the FARC terrorists in Ecuador, the Bolivarian Bozo massed his troops on the border and started proclaiming that he'd win the war that hadn't started yet.
 
Yes, as thought provoking as www.infowars.com

What has that site got to do with anything?

You need a better source than some dudes blog.

Well, he is a journalist by profession.

Not really... after Colombia attacked the FARC terrorists in Ecuador,

Yes, which is illegal. Had there actually been a grievance on their side, Colombia should've turned to the Ecuadorian government or to the Security Council (and I'm sure they'd get the US behind on that). However, Ecuador was already fending off Farc bases on its side of the border, so Uribe probably slaughtered the Farc guy in order to end the embarrassing discussions, much like Israel.

the Bolivarian Bozo massed his troops on the border and started proclaiming that he'd win the war that hadn't started yet

No, the Venezuelan government officials explictly said that they were only preventive.
 
Funny, I don't recall any of you who now want proofs asking for those, from the Colombian government, that its claims about $300 million were true...
We basically said "We'll see, let's wait for what the US says on the validity of these documents." I don't recall anyone saying that there was no possibility that the Columbians were lying, just that they were probably telling the truth.

And besides, the government of a sovereign nation is usually a more reliable source than some dude on the internet. :p

Usually it's the accusation that has to produce the evidence. Except if you like lynching better that justice.
No one's talking about lynching Chavez. Before these documents can be used to attack Chavez, Columbia has to prove that they're real. But to prove that they're false, you're going to have to do better than this.

In short, no one has proved anything, and accusations of desires to "lynch" Chavez isn't helping your case.
 
Funny, I don't recall any of you who now want proofs asking for those, from the Colombian government, that its claims about $300 million were true...

Usually it's the accusation that has to produce the evidence. Except if you like lynching better that justice.

Uribe invited Interpol technicians to verify the laptop. Using information in the laptop, the costa-rican government managed to aprehend about 500,000 dollars that the FARCs kept in a house. The laptop information seems legitmate, and Uribe doesn't seem afraid to invite third parties to check them out. OTOH, Chávez seems quite afraid of the subject.
 
Uribe invited Interpol technicians to verify the laptop.

Has interpol confirmed anything?

--

But anyway, read the article at least.
 
Has interpol confirmed anything?
Not yet, but they are expected to provide a full report on the information that laptop have or had.

But anyway, read the article at least.
I did. Standard communist rhetoric, annoying as hell. Calling Correa thoughtfull was pretty funny, though, as the man is a renowned imbecile.

South America is also hardly "on the verge of flames". Even when Chávez's support of the FARCs is fully proved, and it will be, the result won't be war.
 
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