Apparently Wonder Woman is Artemis, daughter of Zeus

Chukchi Husky said:
Attempting to breed a master race.
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Did you hear that story from those friends of yours who you keep saying are always telling you stuff like this?
 
Chukchi Husky said:
It was from them.
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Ask them where they're getting these bizarre theories, because they really seem to be telling you things that aren't true. There was no concerted effort by the Imperial German government to breed a "master race," and WWI was definitely not a case of good and evil.
 
It was a case of just evil.
 
Well, ww1 Germany was sort of the same entity (Prussia etc) which was involved in 20 other wars leading up to that, and had acquired a reputation also with its genocides in its african colonies, so it is not that far-fetched to claim they entered ww1 with that baggage as well. Of course it is not like other nations in ww1, on the on Entente side, were angelic. (i am not bothering with cases like Belgium, cause they obviously were a minor side in the european ww1 theatre anyway).
 
Dachs said:
She's not Artemis. DC Comics classical mythology is adjacent to, but not exactly the same as, actual Greek and Roman mythology. The Amazons are a mishmash of Greek and Roman stuff (no Skythians?) on Themyskira, which is an island. Zeus is more or less a Good Guy god instead of a lazy, rapacious douchebag; Ares is an actual threat to people instead of a whiny, wimpy wuss. Wonder Woman/Diana has like three or four different origin stories at this point, which range from halfway decent to rapey and gross.
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Wonder woman has more than one origin story? The only one I'm familiar with is her being fashioned from clay by her mother and then coming to life because magic.
 
Thanks to the various number of Crises on the various number of Earths, DC characters tend to have several origin stories.
 
Kyriakos said:
Well, ww1 Germany was sort of the same entity (Prussia etc) which was involved in 20 other wars leading up to that, and had acquired a reputation also with its genocides in its african colonies, so it is not that far-fetched to claim they entered ww1 with that baggage as well. Of course it is not like other nations in ww1, on the on Entente side, were angelic. (i am not bothering with cases like Belgium, cause they obviously were a minor side in the european ww1 theatre anyway).
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"Twenty other wars"? What?

Nowhere did I say that the Germans were some kinda angels. The genocide of the Herero and Nama was horrific, caused as much by German brutality as by the fundamental misunderstanding that the Europeans and Africans in the Southwest African colony had about each other. Notably, however, the Herero and Nama genocide did not actually happen in the First World War. And if we're looking for monstrous colonial atrocities in recent history to the First World War, the British and French - to say nothing of "plucky little Belgium", trader in the severed ears of black folk - could easily match and surpass the German record. That's the point. Not that the Central Powers were great - they weren't. The Ottoman Empire obviously committed horrific crimes against civilians during the war, and Austria-Hungary's military was guilty of disgusting atrocities in 1914 as well, albeit on a very small scale. It's that both sides sucked, so turning one of them into the Good Guys and one into the Bad Guys is Not a Good Thing. All it is, is taking Entente wartime propaganda at face value.

Leave aside that the war had as much to do with Serbian terrorism and expansionism and Russian imperialism as it did with Austro-Hungarian desperation. Leave aside that ostensible (some of which were actually real) German atrocities were vastly exaggerated by a Belgian government desperate to show that it had truly suffered at the hands of invaders rather than the reality of condoning terrorism and letting its allies do most of the fighting. Leave aside the actual atrocities committed by Russian troops in German East Prussia and Austro-Hungarian Galicia, many of which were not the result of "indiscipline" but of military and occupation policy. Leave aside the illegal British blockade specifically designed to starve civilians and kept in place long after the guns had stopped on the Western Front.

Leave all that aside, and we're still left with the faintly bizarre image of a nationalist Greek like yourself getting salty about the Germans, who did virtually nothing to your home country during the war, while the Entente Powers actually invaded neutral Greece and started a civil war there to force Greeks to fight the Central Powers, to say nothing of what they did (or didn't do) during the 1919-23 war.
MilesGregarius said:
LPs vs singles?
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this is a good post
 
^You had me at "or didn't do". /love

And your point about the Herero genocide not happening during ww1... eh... yeah, it happened in 1904, 10 years before ww1. Should it have happened during ww1 itself to count as characterising the same country?
You read too much onto things which is not there; i have no illusion anything is gained by arguing against Germany in ww1, and yes, obviously it did not harm Greece in ww1, so that point of yours expresses surprise at something you projected, so surprise at your own logic ultimately.
 
Well, we know who didn't start The Great War. USA
And Wonder Woman basically wears the flag.
So it works.
 
Re the "Hercules is Diana's father" thing, and why it would also be an abuse of the original mythology:

I think that the children of a demigod (which Hercules was up until he burned himself and became a god) are not having any special powers, and they surely are not demi-gods. Of course Hercules burned himself so as to atone for having killed his children, which is another point there. There was a centaur in all that as well, why not. :)
So the Zeus angle would at least make more sense in having WW/Artemis/Whatever have special powers

Much like in the Cthulhu mythos, the only way for you to have ties to special power is to have some of the gods rape (or just have sex with) your mother.
 
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